All posts are made by a fat old guy with a crappy old car that isnt supported by a factory anymore and therefore should not be taken seriously, EVER
We buy our tires at WalMart 205/50-15 NT-01 $148.00 last all season and go faster as they wear out........
Driver Skills Development, 7's Racing Skunk Works
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I don't have a problem with it. I already have said specs. Just with more extraneous text on the specline and being singled out. obviously I will not be choking any bitches, they have been doing good work, I'm just annoyed with the recent themes of not thinking things through and picking on certain *evil* cars.
The Rx7 thing is annoying though :/
See above.
Chris Rallo "the kid"
-- "wrenching and racing" -- "will race for food!" -- "Onward and Upward"
When IT7 ran with ITB the lap times were very close (IT7 was alittle bit quicker, maybe 1sec @ Sebring)2:43, vs 2:44-5 ).
The Rx killed me on the straights, sucked in the brakes and turns. Too much power for ITB at the IT 7 weight for sure. Add 150# and it would be close.
But as mentioned why?
Mike Ogren , FWDracingguide.com, 352.4288.983 ,http://www.ogren-engineering.com/
IT7 is running at ITB times sideways on old RA1s. Throw a seet of sticky tires (choose your potion) and they are going to br considerably faster. At current weight is was walking mk3 vw in the straight line.
Track Speed Motorsports
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Steven Ulbrik (engineer/crew/driver)
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Lap records and ARRC race results don't agree, (And the ARRC is likely the ONLY place where at least the top cars are sniffed for legality).
But, it's a non starter no matter what. Unless core issues in the Process are looked at there' is no point in doing anything.
And frankly, I bet the ITAC is disinterested, as it's really not a significant issue. They have an IT-7 class that's available to them nearly nationwide, the numbers are dwindling because of unobtanium parts, and they are in the early stages of conversion to the Renesis in the SE.
Sadly, the time to be aggressive and fix the situation passed nearly 10 years ago.
Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
for sale: 2003 Audi A4 Quattro, clean, serviced, dark green, auto, sunroof, tan leather with 75K miles.
IT-7 #57 RX-7 race car
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BMW 2003 M3 cab, sun car.
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Demetrius Mossaidis aka 'Mickey' #12 ITA NESCCA
'92 Honda Civic Si
STFU and "Then write a letter. www.crbscca.com"
2013 ITA NARRC Champion and I have not raced since.
It was discussed years ago, when I was on the ITAC, and I'd talked to every IT7 guy I could about it, from New Hampshire to Atlanta and lots of places in between, and nobody ever made a good case for the move.
So, in internal discussion, it never went anywhere.
The core issue is that the Process would treat it equally in ITB as it does in ITA. People forget that, thinking it's doing ITB times, essentially, so it would be a good ITB fit.
But in actual practice, the ITAC will do the math, and it will gain a few hundred pounds. (XXX whp x ITB factor plus minus adders...same as ITA, except for the factor)
And be on 6" rims.
So, its really a waste of time.
Why sell all the rims and tires, just to maintain the same lack of competitiveness?
Even IF the weight stayed the same, the rim switch would be expensive and would affect performance. And IF the weight remained constant (which would mean a change in Process inputs) why couldn't that change be applied to ITA instead, saving the swapping of tires??
(The ITAC showed no interest or any flexibility beyond what they had done at the last adjustment in terms of Process changes when I was on board. I of course submitted my numbers, but other 'senior' member said he had heard higher numbers, so those were used. As an owner of the car, it would be improper of me to debate excessively or campaign for things too much. I presented my info, and thats all I could do.
To some degree I fear that the cheating guys that have come before have put performance numbers up that are impossible to achieve legally. I know I've raced hard against guys and been eeked out going down the straight, just to have them later admit that the engine was ported. So changing perceptions is tough. We get what we sow)
I'm unaware of any recent official request to move it.
Chip?
Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
for sale: 2003 Audi A4 Quattro, clean, serviced, dark green, auto, sunroof, tan leather with 75K miles.
IT-7 #57 RX-7 race car
Porsche 1973 911E street/fun car
BMW 2003 M3 cab, sun car.
GMC Sierra Tow Vehicle
New England Region
lateapex911(at)gmail(dot)com
[QUOTE=I'm unaware of any recent official request to move it.
Chip?[/QUOTE]
I was aware of the past. This is what I was asking about. When did the request for input come up again.
It would be a real fix if the ECU on an RX7 could be changed to the Holly 500- 4bbl Just kidding.
All posts are made by a fat old guy with a crappy old car that isnt supported by a factory anymore and therefore should not be taken seriously, EVER
We buy our tires at WalMart 205/50-15 NT-01 $148.00 last all season and go faster as they wear out........
Driver Skills Development, 7's Racing Skunk Works
it7racing.com
Not the only place this dynamic created problems. Much of the issues in ITB were a result of the same situation - cheater 2002s, GTIs, and Volvi.To some degree I fear that the cheating guys that have come before have put performance numbers up that are impossible to achieve legally. I know I've raced hard against guys and been eeked out going down the straight, just to have them later admit that the engine was ported. So changing perceptions is tough. We get what we sow.
K
You are mixing issues I think Jake. There was a recent request to move the 12A RX7 to B. We said no for the reasons listed above - good summary.
There have been several requests to reduce the weight on the A2 Rabbit (? I don't know my Volkswagens). The car I think is processed based on 30% from before my time on the committee. We are told on committee this number is accurate and there has been limited dyno data showing it to be close.
NC Region
1980 ITS Triumph TR8
The source of the "what we know" about VWs - the MkI and MkII, anyway - lost a substantial amount of his credibility later in my tenure on the committee.
K
yes. to the degree that it's within ±50lbs and we have much bigger fish to fry. all of ITB is getting reviewed to make sure everyone is on the same playing field, after that we'll go back and do reclassification requests based on actual numbers and starting from better documented and (as) verifiable (as is realistically possible in a class like ITB ) baselines.
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