Lrp 2013

[ner88]

I've been to NASA events, in fact our team and driver just won the SM Championship. I've observed what they do, talked with their leaders and can appreciate what it is and understand their direction.
I've been around or have friends that do SCDA, COM, BMW and PCA events.
It's silly for us(NER) to put on PDX's (we have tried) there is too much compition and events in this area for us to try and compete. Besides these guys do a good job at it!
Weekday day events would mean asking all the volunteers to come and miss work!
We could rent track folks but that costs money. Look at the other clubs and check thier pricing...it's not cheap!
NER runs 5 race events a year, many of our workers, work at other regions events as well! We just don't have the manpower to add more to our schedule, I know, I'm overloaded with what we have.
Now, if someone wants to take the lead in a PDX/Time trial program, "Come on Down".
We do what we do best, run race events!.... and yes, we do it better and for less, than anyone else.

[webhound]

indeed, but in reality it's a horse that needs a little thrashing, and is obviously important enough to the Div to warrant all these responses.

Yes, track days are being done, and done well, by all those orgs you mention. On the other hand, we at MoHud just had our third PDX, all of which have been successfully attended-how the last one did we'll know after tonight's meeting. Also, no, the other org's events are not cheap, but actually they are no more, or not much more expensive than NER's schools, and are less than other schools being held elsewhere. My point was simply that instead of doing a day that is dedicated to a school, that is probably a "loss leader," that may be poorly attended, and that is a drag on the host region's resources, offset that a little bit by leveraging the business part of a track day. There are "people of means" that show up to HPDE like it's their job, they don't care that they were just at SCDA's event yesterday, they will come back today.

Another thought. If what we do is racing, why don't we just offload driver's school altogether? Maybe a deal could be worked out with a few trackday orgs to get our instruction in during one of their days.

I also know that there will be an additional proposal for how to introduce new racers that will probably work out very well.

One other thought. Knowing that LRP is just expensive, is that a good track at which to have a school? If it's my buck, if there isn't a huge difference in the distance I have to travel, I am simply going to pick the school which is the cheapest, and of course works into my schedule. At the end of the day, I don't really care if I've done it at NHMS, LRP, the Glen, or the oval at Thompson. It doesn't mean that's where I have to race in the future.

[dtanthon]

As for format of an event at LRP I would like -

Friday - 10AM - 6PM (hour lunch)
Friday AM - Qualify for Friday PM
Lunch
Friday PM - Qualify for Saturday AM using a 'race' format. Need to define how to do this.
Friday (after 6PM) - Drink beer, tell stories, shave Jerry.

Saturday - 9AM - 6PM (hour lunch)
Saturday AM - Sprint race (short)
Lunch
Saturday PM - Feature race (long)

Just my opinion.

[Rabbit05]

I'm with Darrell on this one..I like that schedule...

Although I don't know Jerry and why he needs to be shaved....? LOL !

[ner88]

Darrell, don't be giving my secrets away!

[StephenB]

I love it! Reminds me of the "track time is KING" event from years back. I think it was exactly what you described...

Stephen

[dtanthon]

We did something like this at NJMP for the 'Jerk' when it was on Lightning. We had the 'Race, Race, Race' stamp on it. A lot of fun and we had people complain it was too much.

If I'm at the track I want to race, get as many in there as possible. I really enjoy the excitement of the start and battling with friends for position. The only problem is the amount of time between sessions adds up. We need to be more efficient. With the hard stop at LRP that could screw the later groups if the early group messes up.

Snowing here in NY. Ice racing anyone?

[ner88]

Gee! When you look at it, it looks like a NHMS event???

[StephenB]

Would no drivers school and two qualifying/test sessions be more desirable on Friday?

Yes.
Stephen

[gran racing]

"more track time"

40 minutes of qualifying and 30 minutes of racing or 15 minutes of qualifying and two 20 minute races? I'd take more racing.

It's silly for us(NER) to put on PDX's (we have tried) there is too much compition and events in this area for us to try and compete. Besides these guys do a good job at it!

Yes, I know I've said this often but partner with some of those companies that host PDXs. There's a gap between getting into racing and w2w SCCA.

[Ed Funk]

Doncha just love silly season?

[ner88]

Doncha just love silly season?

AND....it's only November!

[StephF]

Your problem is its clearly YOUR baby right? (NER) then why did I have three instructors at my lime rock school who I've known and driven with for 15 years? I'm talking about all your mohud instructors...another point, you DON'T ask people to volunteer. You take the ball and try to run with it, I WILL GLADLY step up and help. I've been instructing hpde's for 9 years. I only decided to go race because some of the IT crowd bugged meto come race...I did and I won my class in the series, First year out...took me almost 10 years to come race with you guys and now I'm already ready to leave and go to NASA or run with BMW even, they allow any marquee to run with them. You know how they do it? They get the newly licensed and good performi g Drivers to take over and carry the the torch as they say. None of you have even spoken to me since I've been licensed with you......h mmmmmmmmmm I'm no rocket scientist but how the hell do I or we know you want the help? Or do you only want YOUR NER members? Stop with the elitist attitude and cater to the goddamn students. Yes I said it again, with out them this club will NO LONGER EXIST

BTW some of the attitude from the NER crowd is why people think of NER as the elitist group....auto-x and road racing.
This is regional, entry level, club racing, so yes again...cater to students so you have a future.

And how much was gas in 98? It's time to get up to date with WHO your clientele is and how far they'll tow to do a race school. 400-700 miles from their home in this economy is Again just not smart economically. You want young new drivers....they're going to NASA because they offer a school at every event they have pretty much. So get acclimated to your customers so you don't scare them all away. Had I not already been an SCCA member for 13 yeas prior to getting licensed....guess who I would have gone with?

You know what....this is a public forum. You asked for opinions on the race school, guess what? You got some and the majority of people say is it really that difficult to have that damn race school? I've said a million times I will gladly help out but again you guys have the attitude that you know what's right and were not going to hear what your saying. I'm telling you what's happening out there. I've instructed for those afformentioned clubs for years and have been volunteering my time and money for over a decade with them. I never raced because it IS difficult to get the car ready, prepped for a full day with no repairs, all your supplies, spares etc....by yourself? Get real, you all had help along the way and you need to go back to being a noob and realize it isn't easy to do all that and get your shit in order and travel to the event. ALL of you I'm sure had help your first school and or race weekend. ALOT of people don't have that luxury....how about this....stop posting on a public forum if you don't want opinions expressed that arent your own.

Well...looks like it's off season again.
By the way. I really take offense to your tone and remarks. Really. I had a reply written that contained a couple of f-bombs, but you know...you just aren't worth it.
I welcome a school mixed in with a race weekend AS LONG AS IT MAKES SENSE ECONOMICALLY. Because, NER IS writing the check: not Mohud. And NER is writing the check with dues from its elitist members. You know, the stupid ones who *gasp* tow to another track for a school.
People disagreed with you. Get over it.

[Dano77]

YEAH, What she said!!!!!!







Dan

[1stgen]

Well...looks like it's off season again.
By the way. I really take offense to your tone and remarks. Really. I had a reply written that contained a couple of f-bombs, but you know...you just aren't worth it.
I welcome a school mixed in with a race weekend AS LONG AS IT MAKES SENSE ECONOMICALLY. Because, NER IS writing the check: not Mohud. And NER is writing the check with dues from its elitist members. You know, the stupid ones who *gasp* tow to another track for a school.
People disagreed with you. Get over it.

Again it's never gonna make sense economically if you don't find a better way to incorporate a school with your race series. That's the horse...get it? Now do it , and. Mohud does a pdx, it most likely made or broke even money. Re structure your model, it's old.

[Terry Hanushek]

It should be noted that in addition to the possible drivers schools at NHMS and LRP, there are four other drivers schools on the preliminary 2013 schedule at Summit Point, NJMP, Pittsburgh and Watkins Glen. Given the current level of demand and alternative licensing methods, these schools should be able to provide adequate opportunities for new drivers. We have gotten well beyond the 'every region and every track must run a drivers school' protocol.

Terry

[StephF]

Again it's never gonna make sense economically if you don't find a better way to incorporate a school with your race series. That's the horse...get it? Now do it , and. Mohud does a pdx, it most likely made or broke even money. Re structure your model, it's old.

We have schools. New England, unlike other regions, had two of them. Other regions had one or none.
That's been made amply clear here.
We have a school at NHMS.
Why don't you volunteer to instruct there? Oh, wait, that's right, you don't want your free track time at NHMS, you want it at LRP.
Because, after all, you are graciously volunteering to instruct at LRP only.

[JLawton]

Oh, and to answer the original question: More racing!!!! Love the three race format at NHMS.

[1stgen]

We have schools. New England, unlike other regions, had two of them. Other regions had one or none.
That's been made amply clear here.
We have a school at NHMS.
Why don't you volunteer to instruct there? Oh, wait, that's right, you don't want your free track time at NHMS, you want it at LRP.
Because, after all, you are graciously volunteering to instruct at LRP only.

Wow some of you still hurt hurt about the election?
I'll gladly instruct at NHMS, LRP, the glen, calabogie, tremblant,mosport, NJMP, pocono....any others you'd like to throw out there? I don't care where we race or how we race I'm just saying a school at every track, ESPECIALLY the most centrally located one to civilization.....yeah yeah yeah. NHMS is near Boston.....hardly civilization BTW .....;-) I did every event on the series my first year except the last LRP event. Funny how that is.....

[Ed Funk]

Huh? What does a sore erection have to do with anything? .....oh, never mind.