April Fastrack

[JoshS]

They (ITAC and CRB have no data from the Audi Coupe so they need me to complete a VTS sheet.

Even if we had data from the Audi Coupe, I'd still be asking for a VTS sheet for the 4000Q. It's NOT the same car, it wouldn't go on the same line, it's got plenty of differences, even if the engine itself is shared. We are just simply not going to classify any new cars without VTS sheets. I explained that to you on the phone. I don't think that should be a tough policy decision to swallow. We don't to make sure that someone has done due diligence on any new listing, and that we have a record of it.

[lateapex911]

yea, there should always be a VTS sheet, either in the existing records, or submitted. And the car does have brake differences for example to warrant it's VTS need. That's something that I'm glad Josh is pushing.

[Andy Bettencourt]

Even if we had data from the Audi Coupe, I'd still be asking for a VTS sheet for the 4000Q. It's NOT the same car, it wouldn't go on the same line, it's got plenty of differences, even if the engine itself is shared. We are just simply not going to classify any new cars without VTS sheets. I explained that to you on the phone. I don't think that should be a tough policy decision to swallow. We don't to make sure that someone has done due diligence on any new listing, and that we have a record of it.

Which is 100% true. Brake sizes, wheelbase, whatever needs to be documented. Good policy. If you don't want to fill out the sheets, then you don't want a car classed that bad.

[Knestis]

Like anyone cares but yeah - what they said. Someone "told" the ITAC that the MkIV Golf was the "same" as a MkIII Golf under the skin, but then after it was listed we found out that the front brakes are substantially larger. Lesson learned.

K

[RSTPerformance]

Even if we had data from the Audi Coupe, I'd still be asking for a VTS sheet for the 4000Q. It's NOT the same car, it wouldn't go on the same line, it's got plenty of differences, even if the engine itself is shared. We are just simply not going to classify any new cars without VTS sheets. I explained that to you on the phone. I don't think that should be a tough policy decision to swallow. We don't to make sure that someone has done due diligence on any new listing, and that we have a record of it.

Josh-

I agree with you and the others that it is not unreasonable to have a VTS sheet done on every car. I was suprised though that some of the basic information needed was not available from the FWD version of the car, especially after the CRB looked things over so well - or so thay said. When you told me that no VTS sheet existed on the Coupe it was the icing on the cake for me that the CRB is an unresponsable group of individuals that should not be in the position they are.

Also Josh, I would like to point out that you have been excellent at communicating and you have sent me SEVERAL e-mail reminders to complete the VTS sheets for the quattro. I keep forgetting to ask my brother to get me the shop manual and/or fill out the sheet for me. Last night I posted it because I came on here for the first time in several weeks to put up an update for the Impact Racing issues and read this thread which reminded me about it. I know my brother lurks and posts so he would see it. We don't live that close to each other so we don't get to see each other everyday like we used to.

Thansk again for your commitment Josh, if I get the VTS sheet in on time we will see how this all plays out;

Raymond

[seckerich]

This has to be a 2 way street. If we are going to hammer the CRB and ITAC to some extent on car classing, we have to hold ourselves to the same standard. That standard requires a VTS and any related material needed to class a car regardless of what was done in the past. Lets do our part to do it the right way and EXPECT them to do the same.

[JeffYoung]

Agreed on the VTS sheets. They are a bit of a PITA, but not terrible.

[lateapex911]

Josh-

. I keep forgetting to ask my brother to get me the shop manual and/or fill out the sheet for me. Last night I posted it because I came on here for the first time in several weeks to put up an update for the Impact Racing issues and read this thread which reminded me about it. I know my brother lurks and posts so he would see it.

Raymond

Psst..Raymond. This Dude...named Bell, says he invented this device called a telephone. Yea, somebody elses disputes him, but whatever. And now, it's actually wireless! So you could like, ummmm CALL your brother?? Or, and this is another "phone" thing, you can type a little message to him and send it from your phone to his!! Wild, I know! It's called 'texting"...all the kids are doing it.

Then there's this other invention, which I know you have, cuz you typed on it to post here, called a computer. You can even use it to send a message to him! Sooo many options...it's just mind boggling!

[Jeremy Billiel]

Psst..Raymond. This Dude...named Bell, says he invented this device called a telephone. Yea, somebody elses disputes him, but whatever. And now, it's actually wireless! So you could like, ummmm CALL your brother?? Or, and this is another "phone" thing, you can type a little message to him and send it from your phone to his!! Wild, I know! It's called 'texting"...all the kids are doing it.

Then there's this other invention, which I know you have, cuz you typed on it to post here, called a computer. You can even use it to send a message to him! Sooo many options...it's just mind boggling!

Jake come on know... Don't you know that in NH they don't have such amentities?

[lateapex911]

Ha ha....yea, they ARE in the sticks, LOl. (Although...Have you seen Raymonds house? He's not exactly slumming it!)

We'll see who contacts Stephen first...I sent him a message over facebook.

[StephenB]

We'll see who contacts Stephen first...I sent him a message over facebook.

He actually called me! But I'd rather respond to you: ) so next Wednesday he is riding to NY with me so I am grabbing the Bentley and he WILL fill it out and send in the VTS before he heads home. But my concern is that IF he is going to build a new car he should build the 90 coupe quattro I gave him. And I thought that VTS already went in. My x-type request can be set aside, I have made the move in another direction.

Stephen

[JoshS]

But my concern is that IF he is going to build a new car he should build the 90 coupe quattro I gave him. And I thought that VTS already went in. My x-type request can be set aside, I have made the move in another direction.

The VTS sheet for the 90-based Coupe Quattro was received with letter #640 (not from you though, it was from someone else) and we discussed it last month. It's on the CRB's agenda now.

We never got a letter about the Jaguar X-Type.