please help me understand the ITB Honda issue

[Bill Miller]

I'll take this one I'll bite!:026: check out what the CRB members drive in ITB And while at it see what the other one that doesn't drive a Honda drives and do the math on that car

Take that one a step further. What do you think the chances that the 'negative adder' for the rear beam doesn't get corrected because that would be 'in violation of the GCR'?

[mossaidis]

My 2 cents, I think wheelbase might be a factor as well.

Look at the 92-95 Civic Si, same specs as the Honda Civic EX Coupe/Sedan VTEC (92-95) but my Si is 25 lbs heavier. only difference between those two cars is 1.9 inch wheelbase.

Mickey

[jimmyc]

My 2 cents, I think wheelbase might be a factor as well.

Look at the 92-95 Civic Si, same specs as the Honda Civic EX Coupe/Sedan VTEC (92-95) but my Si is 25 lbs heavier. only difference between those two cars is 1.9 inch wheelbase.

Mickey

Nope, at least not consistently.

88-91 CRX SI and 88-91 Civic SI and 1991 Civic EX

Are all classed at the same weight, they have different wheelbases, and even all have different brakes.


Really its just a matter of nothing being that consistent.

Which is what K and others were trying to get, even though everyone knows it wouldn't be perfect it would be CONSISTENT.

[mossaidis]

That's why voted to have ITAC reclassify ALL IT cars using a standard and VERY public equation/rules. The wheelbase is the only way I can justify my little world and be able to sleep okay at night.

Naively,
mickey

[Knestis]

That's why voted to have ITAC reclassify ALL IT cars using a standard and VERY public equation/rules. The wheelbase is the only way I can justify my little world and be able to sleep okay at night.

Naively,
mickey

Did you share that opinion with the BoD and CRB? If not, it won't even be heard, let alone taken into consideration.

ALL - YOU NEED TO GET REAL. At this point, give up all pretense that any currently listed IT car will get any weight spec attention, including those for which were submitted but not yet acted upon. There will be NO "system" except as it might get applied for newly listed cars based on the most recent opinions issued by the CRB - at least based on what I've most recently heard.

Conversations here are officially a waste of bandwidth unless/until Club leadership changes its mind in regard to how the ITAC is allowed to do its work.

K

[Z3_GoCar]

So then who's planning on being at the National Convention in Las Vegas? Last year we had to get a waiver because the convention conflited with our spring race at Willow Springs. This year we may need a waiver because that's the weekend that we host our double National/restricted regional at AAA-Speedway Fontana.

[Bill Miller]

Did you share that opinion with the BoD and CRB? If not, it won't even be heard, let alone taken into consideration.

ALL - YOU NEED TO GET REAL. At this point, give up all pretense that any currently listed IT car will get any weight spec attention, including those for which were submitted but not yet acted upon. There will be NO "system" except as it might get applied for newly listed cars based on the most recent opinions issued by the CRB - at least based on what I've most recently heard.

Conversations here are officially a waste of bandwidth unless/until Club leadership changes its mind in regard to how the ITAC is allowed to do its work.

K

Maybe you're looking at changing the wrong thing?

[GTIspirit]

Take that one a step further. What do you think the chances that the 'negative adder' for the rear beam doesn't get corrected because that would be 'in violation of the GCR'?

Well, everyone knows that FWD cars inherently understeer, so only having one wheel on the ground at the back helps mitigate that situation, right.

[tom91ita]

maybe that is what the CRB has in mind?

given that the car has a 62/38 front to rear weight bias and only has three wheels on the ground in the corners, then it only weighs 1725 #'s?

and then you average that weight 20% of the time for a curvy track and 80% at the 2130, that means my average weight must be about 2049 #'s.

that is pretty much the 100 #'s i was hoping for! never mind....