Trying for Nationwide Crap Can class unity

[Flyinglizard]

The tire rule helps reduce the cost issue. I had stiff springs and fair shox, removed those and went to cut stockers. Lap speed was the same .
I was pretty sure that CFR had ITO rules but cant seem to find anything .
Maybe we could run there and specify DOT 180TW tires. Start with one class. ITO.


Does SPU and SPO have fuel cell requirements? Most Chumpers run the stock tank.

[Chip42]

Maybe we could run there and specify DOT 180TW tires. Start with one class. ITO.


Does SPU and SPO have fuel cell requirements? Most Chumpers run the stock tank.

there are SEDIV rules in place for all SARRC events, and CFR has their own as you know. the SEDIV rules list specific cars for ITO, and require IT or GT safety for SP (depending on tub or tube frame car).

http://sedivracing.org/2013SEDivRegionalClassRules.pdf

[Flyinglizard]

Thanks for the link Chip.
Looks as tho the CrapCans cans could fit either ITO or SP. Depending on fuel tank and rear bumper rules , prod allows stock tanks with stock rear bumpers for a lot of cars and up to the tech's discretion. ( Not sure how the Vett is ruled- Hope it needs a cell.)

Have there been any cars in ITO this year? Cant remember seeing any. I will see what that road looks like.
The tire rule could be a handshake thing. IMHO.

Webhound, thanks for your input/thoughts. Guys like yourself are who we are interested in .
MM

[Chip42]

Thanks for the link Chip.
Looks as tho the CrapCans cans could fit either ITO or SP. Depending on fuel tank and rear bumper rules , prod allows stock tanks with stock rear bumpers for a lot of cars and up to the tech's discretion. ( Not sure how the Vett is ruled- Hope it needs a cell.)

Have there been any cars in ITO this year? Cant remember seeing any. I will see what that road looks like.
The tire rule could be a handshake thing. IMHO.

GT or IT rules mike - fuel cells are completely optional in SP in a car that is IT safety compliant. tube cars run cells. I agree that Prod's "inside the frame rails and between the axles" rule is a good one. I haven't seen an ITO car in florida in ages, usually 1 or 2 show up at the arrc. most converted to STO (pretty much a sticker and weight change for most cars on the list).

in a region like ours with its own championship and a good sized group of less than arrc-winning prepped cars, a handshake could be all that is needed to get 5-6 cars each in ITB and A, maybe ITS to try some street tires. most divisions don't have IT numbers like we have in our region, so getting any sort of local accord could be challenging.

I've decided I'll only be running TES/ECR and CFRs for the next year at least, and supporting the rest of TrackSpeed (i.e. the fast guys) in the SARRC. I'm toying with the idea of trying some rivals or ZIIs in this capacity... haven't made the decision between them and a Toyo RR or BFG R1. the SM6/R6 is out - wears too fast for the $$ and I'm not taking full advantage of their capability.

[Xian]

most B cars are rolling on 14 or 15s these days and have the grunt to make that work, maybe with a final drive. there are some 13" out there but fewer and fewer. the ITC guys run a 13 AND crazy tall final drives, so a switch to a 13"-less option would be a very hard blow to that group.

generally I do agree that SCCA is now lacking a low-cost barrier to competitiveness class. As the "leisure" drives have been largely pushed out by the economy and the past few rounds of safety equipment mandates anyhow, the "cream" as it were is largely what's left. there are some very serious IT cars and a lot less of the old prep cars showing up. End result is that the middle of the pack got more expensive to run with.

"slower", cheaper (to own, build, run) cars on 180tw tires in their own race group with maybe with some relaxed safety requirements (and maybe not) would certainly be attractive to some, but if the class were to get popular you'd just have an analog of IT in the late 90s - pushing into all of the nooks and crannies of the rules and becoming a spending/engineering war all over again. the only way I can think of to keep it cheap is the benevolent dictator, and you will NEVER see that (officially) in SCCA club racing.

Yup. Die-hard competition is what drives development and spending. I'm not saying that's a "bad" thing as I'm kinda one of those assholes as well *but* there has to be some level of "gentleman's agreement" not to go nuclear with prep. Getting a car reliable is one thing. Pulling your OTS Bilsteins and testing multiple valving shouldn't be what budget racing is about.

Is there a place for a street tired class? I'd like to think so but the likely first step is getting folks out in a catch-all class in order to show the actual level of interest that exists.

The tire rule helps reduce the cost issue. I had stiff springs and fair shox, removed those and went to cut stockers. Lap speed was the same .
I was pretty sure that CFR had ITO rules but cant seem to find anything .
Maybe we could run there and specify DOT 180TW tires. Start with one class. ITO.


Does SPU and SPO have fuel cell requirements? Most Chumpers run the stock tank.

I've been surprised at how little the current crop of street tires and budget suspension gives up in lap times... mid 2:20's at Daytona is a mid-pack ITA time. I did that in a street tired Chump car that has roughly ITA power to weight.

there are SEDIV rules in place for all SARRC events, and CFR has their own as you know. the SEDIV rules list specific cars for ITO, and require IT or GT safety for SP (depending on tub or tube frame car).

http://sedivracing.org/2013SEDivRegionalClassRules.pdf

ITO seems an awful lot like ITX. Basically a class for cars that were built for another class/series and must meet IT type safety regs.

GT or IT rules mike - fuel cells are completely optional in SP in a car that is IT safety compliant. tube cars run cells. I agree that Prod's "inside the frame rails and between the axles" rule is a good one. I haven't seen an ITO car in florida in ages, usually 1 or 2 show up at the arrc. most converted to STO (pretty much a sticker and weight change for most cars on the list).

in a region like ours with its own championship and a good sized group of less than arrc-winning prepped cars, a handshake could be all that is needed to get 5-6 cars each in ITB and A, maybe ITS to try some street tires. most divisions don't have IT numbers like we have in our region, so getting any sort of local accord could be challenging.

I've decided I'll only be running TES/ECR and CFRs for the next year at least, and supporting the rest of TrackSpeed (i.e. the fast guys) in the SARRC. I'm toying with the idea of trying some rivals or ZIIs in this capacity... haven't made the decision between them and a Toyo RR or BFG R1. the SM6/R6 is out - wears too fast for the $$ and I'm not taking full advantage of their capability.

What size are you looking for? I'd bet that, depending on when you need them, we could track down some take-off's to try out.

[Chip42]

What size are you looking for? I'd bet that, depending on when you need them, we could track down some take-off's to try out.

What's the widest thing that'll fit on a 15x6? 205/50R15 I'm sure will, 225 hoosier fits but I hear the street stuff doesn't like to bow in so much. if you can find some takeoffs I'd definitely run them as a "fact finding" experiment.

[Xian]

What's the widest thing that'll fit on a 15x6? 205/50R15 I'm sure will, 225 hoosier fits but I hear the street stuff doesn't like to bow in so much. if you can find some takeoffs I'd definitely run them as a "fact finding" experiment.

Yep, 205 would probably be a better fit than 225. I'll check/ask around. Worst case scenario is that I should have some used 205/50 Rival's later this year.