Open Coolers

[rsportvolvo]

One weak link: the Dana 30. I crewed for a friends ITB 242 and he had axle issues. Other friends racing Volvos recommended looking at options to keep diff temps down as they've had issues. You didn't have any issues or didn't check temps to see if you did, not sure which.

240 has a different engine and gearbox. So the next item down the power path is the differential.

Sorry my approach doesn't meet your approval. But then again neither does my car choice. I apologize for not asking first.

Like I said, when I get to the track come by and protest away.

[lateapex911]

Like I said, when I get to the track come by and protest away.

I hope you'll regret saying that, and it was a rash comment.

You have two honorable choices:

• Campaign to get a rule you don't like changed.
• Run a legal setup, and adjust your setup legally to deal with whatever issue confronts you.

Actually, a third. Put stickers on your car more in keeping with the prep level.

David, to be blunt, your current stance shows no respect for me, or my fellow rules abiding competitors. You are stating that you will choose to increase your performance via cheating. An accidental issue, I can understand, but this is a conscious and premeditated plan, which results in a malicious cheat, and I hope your fellow competitors are aware of your approach, and your lack of respect for them.

Greg, I believe you mean "Prop wash"...or in this case "Jet wash"....

[mbuskuhl]

fellow competitors

As long as rsportvolvo stays in the SOWDIV, there are no competitors to even file protests.

Latest standings have avg. car counts at:

ITA - 6.09
ITB - .36
ITC - .36
ITE - 1.09
ITR - .82
ITS - 2.73

It's a moot point.

Anyways, back to trans coolers. How about the competitive advantage "washer bottle".

[rsportvolvo]

CRB letter sent.

My intended tone is the lack of respect for how SCCA deals with IT issues. Not my fellow compeititors.

My point is that my car is going to be 100% legal and I welcome any protests regardless of the forum banter and subsequent speculation.

Does anyone have gearbox/transaxle/differential temp logs to provide some empirical evidence to the CRB?

[JohnRW]

"What's past is prologue" - William Shakespeare, "The Tempest" (Act 2, Scene 1)

My intended tone is the lack of respect for how SCCA deals with IT issues. Not my fellow compeititors.

Hmmm. In this thread in early 2006 ( http://72.167.111.130/forums/showthread.php?t=18440 ) about this very same subject, you stated:

I was boasting about running shot peened rods. But let me ask you this, if you protest my car for the rods being illegal how can you prove that I shot peened my rods? Did Volvo shot peen the rods from the Factory? Were the rods shot peened from another rebuild by a shot that uses shot to clean engine parts? Basically this modification only increases the life of the rod by increasing the rods fatigue life. If you're going to complain abou that I feel sorry for you. Same goes for someone who would protest the use of a diff. cooler. That makes for a satisifying victory!

If you suspect my car's illegal, put up or shutup. Not trying to be rude, but if you aren't going to protest, then you're just a whiner. No one likes a whiner and you are doing nothing about keeping IT honest. Oh, and the accused is, of course, innocent until proven guilty.

So...where is the "respect" that you claim to have ?

In that same thread, you wrote:

The differential is a Dana 30 and can easily handle the IT power ouput. Plate style limited slips can create a lot of heat. I am thinking about solutions before the problem arises.

...then in your most recent post, today, you write:

Does anyone have gearbox/transaxle/differential temp logs to provide some empirical evidence to the CRB?

Hmmm, again. You're only now looking for evidence to back up your requests for a rules change, that you had previously stated (2006 again) was based on looking for problems that didn't actually exist. Big thumbs up here.

[Andy Bettencourt]

I am having a shit-ton of issues posting lately. Tons of time outs...

Anyway, I would support a diff cooler rule. We have an engine oil cooler allowance now. I would support it because we can upgrade our units with pretty trick stiff that spins umpteen more revs that stock so it makes sense to me. Same with motor mounts. I think because we are allowed to upgrade the engines to do more than what they were intended, we should be able to keep them from sloshing around without fabricating a stay rod.

Tranny cooler? No. Tranny's must be stock internally so I don't see a need really. Trying to keep this stuff 'making sense' in my head without expanding the performance envelope. Logical upgrades in keeping with other rules in the ITCS that are totally optional.

[Ron Earp]

Cool. Motor mounts and diff coolers. Can we get rid of the freaking washer bottle now? Cause the bottle sure doesn't have a damn thing to do with us going to Prod.

Ron, who is already dreaming of hydraulic drives from pinon mounted impellers cause inside his diff is free and diff coolers look like a lot of things. Might be illegal but from the looks of this thread illegal is in vogue now

[Rabbit07]

I am having a shit-ton of issues posting lately. Tons of time outs...

Anyway, I would support a diff cooler rule. We have an engine oil cooler allowance now. I would support it because we can upgrade our units with pretty trick stiff that spins umpteen more revs that stock so it makes sense to me. Same with motor mounts. I think because we are allowed to upgrade the engines to do more than what they were intended, we should be able to keep them from sloshing around without fabricating a stay rod.

Tranny cooler? No. Tranny's must be stock internally so I don't see a need really. Trying to keep this stuff 'making sense' in my head without expanding the performance envelope. Logical upgrades in keeping with other rules in the ITCS that are totally optional.

The Diffs are most of the problem I have seen. However FWD would require a trans cooler to accomplish the same thing, so I figured open it all up. Just my $.02

[Xian]

I am having a shit-ton of issues posting lately. Tons of time outs...

Anyway, I would support a [fill in the blank] rule. We have an [fill in the blank] allowance now. I would support it because we can upgrade our units with pretty trick stuff that [fill in the blank] than stock so it makes sense to me. Same with [fill in the blank] . I think because we are allowed to upgrade the engines to do more than what they were intended, we should be able to [fill in the blank] .

Really? Really, really?

Andy, please re-read your argument above. Maybe your issues posting are b/c of loose footing on the slippery slope you're currently navigating?

Christian, who, maybe just b/c it's been a long day, thinks you sound like a fuggin fool right now.