A fresh look...

[Chip42]

despite the obviousness of building one of the many discussed honda variants, I haven't seen many out there. today at sebring the2013 opener Majors/national/BFG super tour "Big F'n Deal" weekend had only crossover IT miatas, RX7s, and Peter K's integra (which is a real STL car but not a monster build as far as I know). PK ran strong but Andrew "Von C" Charbaneau won in an ISC miata (ITS car). I expected more real STL cars, and Jim Drago to place higher - though to be fair he had his SM car doing double duty, not the purpose built STL car.

I'm really liking the idea of a 20V 4AGE toyota in an MR2 spyder. assuming they allowed the engine, that could be a really hot setup.

[Xian]

Yep. Definitely some cool options for the class but I'd still look at building a B16 powered CRX.

[adamjabaay]

several of us are dude....haha

[Bill Miller]

I'll preface this by saying that I have not read through the STL rules, so I don't know all the ins and outs. I'm curious as to why the folks looking at Toyota mills are not looking at the 4A-GE. Are the STL prep limits that restrictive to get sufficient power out of one? And it's too bad the AE86 Corolla is too old, as that seems like it would be a great STL car.

[Chip42]

Bill, the "big port" 4A-GE suffers from it's restrictive intake, the small port less so, but both have poor port design no matter what class you put it in. while the 4A motors share many nominal dimensions with the honda B16, preppared to the STL limits of cam lift and compression the 16V 4AGE would still make roughly 15-20% less power than the honda. the 20V 4AGE has a much better head design despite the complexity of the extra valves, and can get into B16 specific output territory.

gotta shoot for the target.

[Bill Miller]

Thanks Chip. Like I said, I haven't read up on the STL rules.

What's a realistic power expectation for an STL B16A?

[Chip42]

roughly 180 crank is what I'd imagine... hell we got about that much in ITS without trying too hard. I'd think guys like Blake could massage even more from it, though the B16 is pretty much right on the STL max as delivered for lift and CR, the cam profile may be changed and there's all the ignition and ECU mods that you can do so there's probobly a bit more in there.

[jdrago1]

I expected more real STL cars, and Jim Drago to place higher

Tough crowd

I ran the SM, was fortunate that PK had issues both days, really was just hoping to get on the podium one of the two days.

Really debating my STL car. I really think after this season shakes out, my Miata will be a tail of the lead pack or beginning of pack two type of car at the Runoffs. Time will tell. I am thinking about an 06 up car, but not sure I have the time or energy to build one.