Wheel width, ITB, again

[Knestis]

The most current car that I can remember talking about for ITB is the Honda Fit. It appears to come stock with 15x6" wheels, although the new model may have 16x6.

As is typical, we have confounding (if not conflicting) arguments in the discussion. At this point, I'm tempted by Josh's reminder that folks SHOULD be allowed to run what came on their car, and that wheel allowances - like all other modifications - should be allowed and not required. Heck - a very liberal interpretation of the CURRENT rule might well allow a person to run stock wheels larger than 6" in ITB, if the car came with them. That issue can go away with a single line in the rules.

Beyond that - ignoring the availability issue which I personally think is a non-problem, and is even less so if "stock size" is allowed - the only folks in a bind currently are those whose cars have been moved. And only then, specifically from A to B since that's the only next-door class combination where the dimension allowance changes. I'm afraid that I can NOT see the big picture logic of making a substantive change to the entire category to accommodate those limited number of cases, which to my way of thinking leaves only the option of considering "transitional" rules to ease the pain for a few.

My personal concern there is that I've been in the Club long enough to know that once that barn door is open, the horses are headed to the horizon. That kind of freedom will be cited (perhaps rightly so) as rationale for other exceptions, and gifts given are typically very hard to take away. But let's try:

Rodger - Which would you prefer to ease your transition...?

1. Your car will be dual listed for two years - and only two years - in A and B, and you can run either within the existing rules

2. Your car will be allowed to run 7" wheels for two years, and only two years, with additional weight to be determined by the ITAC

K

[spnkzss]

2. Your car will be allowed to run 7" wheels for two years, and only two years, with additional weight to be determined by the ITAC

K

That sounds logical when Phil states the average race wheel should be replaced every 2 years.

[rlward]

What do you run, spanky?
What would you want WHEN (not if) you get put in ITB?

[lateapex911]

What do you run, spanky?
What would you want WHEN (not if) you get put in ITB?

Why would you say that????

[spnkzss]

What do you run, spanky?
What would you want WHEN (not if) you get put in ITB?

I run a '90 Civic Si, which is "almost" equivalent to the CRX, and have no fears of ever being moved.

But I'll play along for a minute. I would bitch and moan like the rest of the people that got moved. Hope they would allow me to run my wheels for 2 years or allow the whole class to run 7" rims (like I want now, with no dog in the fight). Then buy wheels as needed. Wheels are technically a wear item so I would eventually have to buy new wheels anyways or risk balling the car up when one broke from the constant 1-1.5g's we put on our cars.

[lateapex911]

I run a '90 Civic Si, which is "almost" equivalent to the CRX, and have no fears of ever being moved.

But I'll play along for a minute. I would bitch and moan like the rest of the people that got moved. Hope they would allow me to run my wheels for 2 years or allow the whole class to run 7" rims (like I want now, with no dog in the fight). Then buy wheels as needed. Wheels are technically a wear item so I would eventually have to buy new wheels anyways or risk balling the car up when one broke from the constant 1-1.5g's we put on our cars.

Rob, your scenario just doesn't work, (although you were nice to play along)...because your car is, as you say, a CRX variant, and is quite competitive, in a class structure that has a fixed performance envelope. In other words, there will never be a Ferrari 430 in ITA, forcing out currently competitive cars.

(If that WERE to happen,it would be part of a major restructuring, and ALL the cars in ITA that are trying to beat the CRX (that's like, uh, the entire class) would move and OBVIOUSLY, there would be other global changes and concerns that would occur simultaneously. )

Rodger's claim that you WILL get moved is extremely disingenuous.

Now Rob, I suggest that there could be another situation where you'd be moved. And that would be if you were driving a car that was hopelessly outclassed...and in that case, as in the case of say Dave Gran's Prelude, etc, you'd more than likely be thrilled at your new lease on life, as has been the case in the vast majority of the previous moves.

[shwah]

I wonder how many Golf 3 guys are mad about moving from ITA to ITB?

I doubt any current Rabbit GTI drivers were racing those cars when they were in A...

[Chip42]

ditto the MR2 people - a wonderful car with absolutely no chance of a win in ITA. the rule is 6". works for me.

If I had 16" wheels stock, then I might find a reason to complain. but I know what comes on 16" wheels and is classed in ITB/C and there's really no good reason to build those cars anyhow

[Knestis]

I wonder how many Golf 3 guys are mad about moving from ITA to ITB?

I doubt any current Rabbit GTI drivers were racing those cars when they were in A...

So far as I can figure, only one MkIII was built as an A car, anywhere. One of my very first posts here was asking if it was likely to be competitive there: The answer was, uh, "no." That might have been a factor in its move.

K

[Greg Amy]

I doubt any current Rabbit GTI drivers were racing those cars when they were in A...

My very first road race car was an ITA Rabbit GTI...but I used the stock 14x6 wheels...


On edit: Kirk, you still have those old rule sets? I seem to recall the width rule was put in there later. Wasn't the original rule (circa 1986/7-ish) to use stock-size wheels...?