Minimum weight display

[Harvey]

Steve

If the weight is on the card then it is up to the other competitor to protest if wrong.

I do understand but really why is this such a big deal?

[Andy Bettencourt]

Nobody thinks that an incorrect weight listed on the side of a car you are racing against would go unnoticed by the drivers? I don't get it.

Put it on, help tech out. For those that never get weighed? Sounds like you should ask your locals to do a check after a qual. Results would be fun!

[JLawton]

Nobody thinks that an incorrect weight listed on the side of a car you are racing against would go unnoticed by the drivers? I don't get it.

Andy, you are probably one of the FEW people who knows the weights of all the cars in ITA. The only weight I know in ITA is the Miata. I would have no clue what the Tegs are, what the CRXs are. I bet besides you, without looking it up, there is no one who knows the weight of the Saturn SC. How about the weight of the Saturn SL?

Again, are you gonna be chacking everyone's weights at the end of a race?

[Andy Bettencourt]

Andy, you are probably one of the FEW people who knows the weights of all the cars in ITA. The only weight I know in ITA is the Miata. I would have no clue what the Tegs are, what the CRXs are. I bet besides you, without looking it up, there is no one who knows the weight of the Saturn SC. How about the weight of the Saturn SL?

Again, are you gonna be chacking everyone's weights at the end of a race?

Maybe I am the exception but I do know the ITCS. I don't commit it all to memory but I know the weights of cars I have considered building, cars that are quick and cars that I race against. When in impound, it's easy to see the weights staring you right in the face in a group. It would be unreal to have a wrong number on your car.

[CRallo]

andy, you are probably one of the few people who knows the weights of all the cars in ita. The only weight i know in ita is the miata. I would have no clue what the tegs are, what the crxs are. I bet besides you, without looking it up, there is no one who knows the weight of the saturn sc. How about the weight of the saturn sl?

Again, are you gonna be chacking everyone's weights at the end of a race?

2330/2360

[JLawton]

2330/2360

Dude, you need to get a social life!!! LOL

[Rabbit05]

I think we ought to start put the CI on the hoods to now..or CC's...Why not.... right ? Its only another 5-10 bucks right ? ...and now that we have a set system for classing cars everyone can see if that car is classed properly or the competitor is within the rule set.

You should know the weight of your car, tell the scale guy and be done with it. I mean really ?? This isn't the Runoffs its a bunch of Guys/Girls getting together and having fun at the track on the weekends..I understand its point for like the Prod guys and the such and its easier ...but come on really ?


Sorry I agree with JJJ about the death by 1000 cuts or the straw that broke the camels back...the SCCA has been a real turn off for me this year..mostly its my personal situation..but I now need a H&NR , a new Helmet , window net , the usual maintenance on the car ..the entry fees aren't getting any lower..and now I got to find a spot on my car ..(which I care how my car looks ) for the weight of my car...which ,oh yeah, is still not correct..

Audi Coupe : 110 hp = 2500 #

And to top it off my car still runs like a bag of smashed assholes...

This isn't fun anymore...

-John

[RacerBill]

Sorry I agree with JJJ about the death by 1000 cuts or the straw that broke the camels back...the SCCA has been a real turn off for me this year..mostly its my personal situation..but I now need a H&NR , a new Helmet , window net , the usual maintenance on the car ..the entry fees aren't getting any lower..and now I got to find a spot on my car....

-John

not to mention the increase in competition license fees!

[CRallo]

Dude, you need to get a social life!!! LOL

says he who apparently has nothing better to do than stalk this thread...

[JLawton]

Who knows all the weights of their competition? Even if you look it up before, are you going to check it's the right number every time they roll across the scales? What are the chances that someone gets caught when they put a different weight on their car right before they go out for a race? And tech usually won't give you the weight of your OWN car. I can't imagine they'll be announcing it in the garage?? Will they start posting actual weights after?


Maybe I'm missing something???


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[Butch Kummer]

Who knows all the weights of their competition? Even if you look it up before, are you going to check it's the right number every time they roll across the scales? What are the chances that someone gets caught when they put a different weight on their car right before they go out for a race? And tech usually won't give you the weight of your OWN car. I can't imagine they'll be announcing it in the garage?? Will they start posting actual weights after?


Maybe I'm missing something???


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I don't need (or want) to know the correct weights of all the cars in my class. What I DO know is the correct weights of the guys that might outrun me.

As a buddy of mine said long ago, "If you run at the back you can pretty much run whatever you want."

[jhooten]

Without knowing what engine is in my STO car how are you going to know if I have the correct weight on the car? LS1 weight with LS7 engine.

I stand by my "solution in search of a problem" opinion. SowDiv has been putting the wheel base, track, and WEIGHT from the tech sheet on the tech sticker for many years now. Every thing we need in tech to get the car across the scale. We didn't need a rule in the GCR. The weight alone on the car is fine IF you are using a platform scale. You need more information to get the cars across the scales in a timely fashion if, like many tech set ups, you are stuck with a set of portable 4 pad scales.

[Matt93SE]

Jerry, while you mention our weights are on the stickers.. For a SowDiv race, would that be considered sufficient to meet this rule from your tech perspective? I have no problem putting the weights on the car, but I might not have time to get it done before the Feb race due to work schedules.


for those of you that are complaining about displaying this, what advantage/disadvantage will this cause you? Someone might be able to figure out what size engine you have in the car, or what adder/multiplier you're running for an alternate suspension/engine/trans in some class? any of that stuff should be pretty easy to figure out anyway just by talking to the driver or looking in the window in grid or someone that knows the car to even listen to the engine putting around in the pits.

What's with all the secrecy? This ain't Formula 1!!

When I'm on track, the last thing I'm worried about is what my competitor weighs. I ASSUME the other guy is bringing a legal car since I made every effort to make my car legal and play within the rules. If I see something that I suspect is off, then and only then will say something to the competitor and give them a chance to fix it before I protest. but that's just me.. Trust but verify..

[jhooten]

Jerry, while you mention our weights are on the stickers.. For a SowDiv race, would that be considered sufficient to meet this rule from your tech perspective? .

Unless we start putting the tech stickers next to the class designator the tech sticker would not meet the rules requirement.

[Andy Bettencourt]

Without knowing what engine is in my STO car how are you going to know if I have the correct weight on the car? LS1 weight with LS7 engine.

Seeing as how this is an IT site, those issues are for you and your competitors to work out! I make it a point to know who I am running against.

And to Jeff's point, I do hate when Tech won't even give you your number real time. They should make a production out of it to be honest. "Number 09 ITA Miata, minimum 2380, actual 2401. NEXT!"

This gives the competitors an opportunity to protest should the Tech shed not want to take action if a car is 1-X lbs under.

[betamotorsports]

And to Jeff's point, I do hate when Tech won't even give you your number real time. They should make a production out of it to be honest. "Number 09 ITA Miata, minimum 2380, actual 2401. NEXT!" This gives the competitors an opportunity to protest should the Tech shed not want to take action if a car is 1-X lbs under.

Here in Cal Club tech we view a competitor's weight as a private matter. We do not shout it out and will not give that number out to other competitors. If a competitor is underweight by even 1lb. the car gets rolled off and back on the scales and re-weighed. That's plenty of notice to the other competitors that there may be an issue. And, if the car is still underweight, by even 1 lb., we refer it to the Tech Steward for action.

[seckerich]

There is a scale log at every race in the southeast and it is even recorded when you just roll across to check weight on your own. The recorded weight in impound is not secret and you should ask to see the scale log if you have a question about a competitor. The numbers on the side of the car just get everyone weighed fast and into impound to get cooled off. After that the scale log is checked against the GCR for legality. In almost all cases the tech card has the checked weight before you enter impound. Chief of tech does that while we all get to play on track. It helps the workers and has no downside so what is the big deal? Home depot even sells numbers for mailboxes that stick easily to a side window.

[Andy Bettencourt]

Here in Cal Club tech we view a competitor's weight as a private matter.

Can you help me understand why you view it as a private matter? If you are weighing cars for compliance, to me, it should be VERY public.

[jhooten]

Seeing as how this is an IT site, those issues are for you and your competitors to work out! I make it a point to know who I am running against.

So I am hallucinating when I see the section labeled SUPER TOURING on the board index then?

[Greg Amy]

So I am hallucinating when I see the section labeled SUPER TOURING on the board index then?

This forum is, first and foremost, Improved Touring. Super Touring is "just being given a place to play, with no guarantee of competitiveness...."