December 2013 Fastrack

[dickita15]

I respect Dick's thoughts but I just don't buy it's not a grab at car counts to save classes. IT to Prod makes sense but IT to GT? That's a huge prep jump and if you were interested in tube frames and the like, you would already be there or in Prod looking to make a move.

Well for one thing, IMHO, GT will not survive if they only cater to tube frame cars.

[Andy Bettencourt]

Well for one thing, IMHO, GT will not survive if they only cater to tube frame cars.

Agree.

[Greg Amy]

Well for one thing, IMHO, GT will not survive if they only cater to tube frame cars.

GT tube cars are legacy racing, at best. Most major, popular racing worldwide (ignoring NASCAR*) is production/tub-based. All the remaining tubeframe sillhouette cars are either hanging on by their fingernails or heavily-subsidized by manufacturers (SCCA Trans-Am, DTM, and some Continental cars come immediately to mind).

GT2 was basically (at least from my perspective) "rescued" this past year by the inclusion of tub cars (Porsche GT3, Super Touring Over) and that's got a lot of people talking about how to include tub cars in GTL.

Tubs are where it's at, baby. Now if we could only get GT2 to run on 200TTW DOTs we'd be in the money...

- GA

* And if NASCAR actually ran tub cars from their manufacturers? I'd start watching that s**t again, even the ovals...

[Matt93SE]

* And if NASCAR actually ran tub cars from their manufacturers? I'd start watching that s**t again, even the ovals...

They call that V8 Supercars.

[Greg Amy]

They call that V8 Supercars.

Amen! Some of the best racing worldwide, along with BTCC and WTCC.

All tub cars.

[joeg]

BTCC/ Aussie V-8 (s) --Perhaps not really tub cars any longer--more like hybrid tubs with a spec tubular front end from the firewall forward.

Brazilian stock cars used weird looking tube frames.

[Greg Amy]

BTCC/ Aussie V-8 (s) --Perhaps not really tub cars any longer--more like hybrid tubs with a spec tubular front end from the firewall forward.

True. That's how we evolved into GT tube cars: allow me to "cage" my car to any point for safety, then we did it to the suspension and drivetrain mounts, and allow me to cut out the sheet metal in between and to "replace" all panels with plastic to reduce weight...so tell me again why I need to start with a production tub...?

Brazilian stock cars are nuts, more like DTM cars.

[Ron Earp]

* And if NASCAR actually ran tub cars from their manufacturers? I'd start watching that s**t again, even the ovals...

Yep. GM SS RWD thing, Chrysler Challenger, Ford Mustang. Be good stuff.

EDIT-Not sure where the rest of my original post on siphoning of IT went, but looks like Kirk covered it better than I.

[CRallo]

GT tube cars are legacy racing, at best. Most major, popular racing worldwide (ignoring NASCAR*) is production/tub-based. All the remaining tubeframe sillhouette cars are either hanging on by their fingernails or heavily-subsidized by manufacturers (SCCA Trans-Am, DTM, and some Continental cars come immediately to mind).

GT2 was basically (at least from my perspective) "rescued" this past year by the inclusion of tub cars (Porsche GT3, Super Touring Over) and that's got a lot of people talking about how to include tub cars in GTL.

Tubs are where it's at, baby. Now if we could only get GT2 to run on 200TTW DOTs we'd be in the money...

- GA

* And if NASCAR actually ran tub cars from their manufacturers? I'd start watching that s**t again, even the ovals...

GT2 already had the Porsche... and they actually dumped a bunch more tube cars in too. <--- No pun intended

And you are half getting your wish... if I'm reading properly, they are putting GT2/ST cars back on DOT tires. annoying... and they didn't slow down everyone that they need to, only the winner who had a car hot on his tail, so why not that car too? hmmm...