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[Greg Amy]

Im curious why the ST classes dont follow IT classing a bit more

I'll give it to you straight: ITx classes are explicitly allowed into STL* as a way to attract entries and to bring attention to the Super Touring category. There has never been any intention to make ITx classes competitive in STL or STU, and I doubt there ever will be. ITx is simply being given a place to play; nothing more, nothing less.

As such, no cars in ITS or ITR that exceed the basic class philosophy of STL (e.g., >2L) will be allowed into STL.

Please review my signature. Then read it again. Now, once more please.

GA

* Absent the GCR requirement for a lateral dash bar and front cage legs -- which are optional in ITx -- most ITx cars that are eligible now would be compliant under the STL/STU regs. Same goes for Spec Miata. But because of that cage requirement they had to be explicitly added in order to be able to compete in STx.

[snowmann]

[Greg editorial note] Crap, I accidentally used my magical admin powers and hit edit on his post instead of quote...sorry about that! Please re-type? I'll reply with what I was able to save...[/Greg]

[Greg Amy]

My point is, if they're equal in ITS why would it not be so in STL?

Because your BMW has a 2.5L engine. The class limit is 2.0L

And I'm not being flippant. That is exactly, completely, 100% why you are not allowed to compete in STL. We don't really care about performance potential; we recognize it's not likely to be competitive against "true" STL cars. That's beside the point.

Would there be a large objection, based solely on the fact that it's not less than 2.0 liters, to the BMW classed as an alternate allowance similar to that of the ITS RX7 with ITS weight and prep in STL?

Yes, there would be.

Get <2.01L engine and you're in.

GA

* Note that you are not the only one that recognizes the inconsistency about how a 13B engine is actually rated at 2.6L per the GCR. In a 2L piston-engine class. Don't bother, you're preaching to the choir on that one.

[snowmann]

* Note that you are not the only one that recognizes the inconsistency about how a 13B engine is actually rated at 2.6L per the GCR. In a 2L piston-engine class. Don't bother, you're preaching to the choir on that one.

This.

That was my rambling point.

[erlrich]

Because your BMW has a 2.5L engine. The class limit is 2.0L

And I'm not being flippant. That is exactly, completely, 100% why you are not allowed to compete in STL. We don't really care about performance potential; we recognize it's not likely to be competitive against "true" STL cars. That's beside the point.

...coughSTUCamaro....coughSTUMustang.....

As the man (generic) said, rules are rules...until they're not.

[CRallo]

Having driven one of the largest engines in ITA, I feel your pain. We were in the same boat. ----- We even ran ITS with the car once, but that's another story.


13B is called a 13B for a reason... 1.3L.

[Greg Amy]

13B is called a 13B for a reason... 1.3L.

Can I "call" my engine 0.9L? 'Cause if that's all it takes...

(Google it.)

[Andy Bettencourt]

Correct me here Greg but common thought process:

Even though the 13B may have 1300ish cc's of actual volume it acts like a 2-stroke. So they class it effectively as 2.6L because it has twice as many power strokes per revolution as a conventional piston engine...1 power stroke per rotor every revolution whereas the CPE has 1 PS every other revolution.