2004 Mini Cooper S battery box

[Mrsideways]

You know Stock head, Stock Injectors, and stock pulley the car really would slot into STL nicely if weighed like it's a 2.0L.
The ports on the head are SOOOO small and crappy that they don't flow anything. You won't break 200whp on one with stock head. Hell guys barely do that with lots of boost and big cams on the stock head.

[jmac36]

You know Stock head, Stock Injectors, and stock pulley the car really would slot into STL nicely if weighed like it's a 2.0L.
The ports on the head are SOOOO small and crappy that they don't flow anything. You won't break 200whp on one with stock head. Hell guys barely do that with lots of boost and big cams on the stock head.

Seriously!!?? I agree it will be hard to get over 200-210, but its really not about whp on a car with FI. The Cooper with the sc has a healthy torque curve, and with a bit of tuning can be a real beast out of the corners.

Nope, sorry, I think the PTB got it correct when they limited FI cars out of STL

[Greg Amy]

Don't expect any changes to forced induction in STL. 'Bout the only time I'd personally give it consideration is when we have 1.3L/1.4L turbo cars somewhere down the line, but I don't see those coming to the USA in numbers for several years (thought I'd personally LOVE to buy a Polo GTI 1.4L turbo)... - GA

[Chip42]

Don't expect any changes to forced induction in STL. 'Bout the only time I'd personally give it consideration is when we have 1.3L/1.4L turbo cars somewhere down the line, but I don't see those coming to the USA in numbers for several years (thought I'd personally LOVE to buy a Polo GTI 1.4L turbo)... - GA

about those several years... the chevy cruze and sonic both have a 138hp/150lbft 1.4L turbo with a 6 spd manual. should sell some decent volumes.

[Greg Amy]

about those several years... the chevy cruze and sonic both have a 138hp/150lbft 1.4L turbo with a 6 spd manual. should sell some decent volumes.

There you go! That's the powertrain for what I envision as STL-level cars in this country, very common in Europe. I'm not going to propose allowing these turbo engines into STL quite yet, but that's the direction I see as the future. - GA

[Z3_GoCar]

Don't expect any changes to forced induction in STL. 'Bout the only time I'd personally give it consideration is when we have 1.3L/1.4L turbo cars somewhere down the line, but I don't see those coming to the USA in numbers for several years (thought I'd personally LOVE to buy a Polo GTI 1.4L turbo)... - GA

Geo Metro/Sprint turbo?? It's early '90s tech but still in the age range

[Mrsideways]

Seriously!!?? I agree it will be hard to get over 200-210, but its really not about whp on a car with FI. The Cooper with the sc has a healthy torque curve, and with a bit of tuning can be a real beast out of the corners.

Nope, sorry, I think the PTB got it correct when they limited FI cars out of STL

No no no, your talking about turbo cars. Look at a stock mini's dyno sheet. The torque curve looks the same as any serious Honda Motor, FLAT. And 210whp will be near impossible especially if you limit compression. Have you seen the Heads on a Mini? I've got 3 of them on the bench I'll take pictures of. A stock one, a JCW, and a very heavily ported one. It's a 40hp BOLT ON mod to port the head. A cooper S with stock pulley will make 150ft/lbs of tq at the ground from 3k to till when the head stops flowing, JUST like a B18 out of a Honda or a 2ZZ out of a Toyota.
I know Greg's never gonna push for FI in STL but as I told the NASA guys Superchargers need to be looked at completely differently then Turbo's.
Another neat car would be the Supercharged EARLY MR2.

Below are the dyno's on my car with a stock bottom end. ALL pulls were done with a 17% reduction pulley on the supercharger.
First pull was (lowest) was just pulley and exhaust
2nd pull (193whp) was pulley, cam, header, intake, intercooler, tune and Alcohol Injection and bigger injectors.
3rd pull was just a ported head and bigger valves over the 2nd pull.