Open Coolers

[Xian]

You guys are making it more difficult than it has to be...

Start looking at other sections of the ITCS. Specifically the pulley area (and no, I'm not just talking about underdrive pulleys although they're a good starting point).

[pfcs]

As a paraplegic I needed power steering BAD. I ran it at about 50% on the Golf and the fluid stopped foaming and blowing out of the reservoir.

[Rabbit07]

You guys are making it more difficult than it has to be...

Start looking at other sections of the ITCS. Specifically the pulley area (and no, I'm not just talking about underdrive pulleys although they're a good starting point).

And what exactly are you implying? Enlighten me?

[lateapex911]

I think I know. Does it..well, I'll keep mum...

[Xian]

And what exactly are you implying? Enlighten me?

I'm not implying... I'm flat out stating that there is a legal solution to your PS overheating problem. Sometimes the answer isn't to rewrite a rule, it's to think deeper and broader on how to take advantage of the current ruleset to solve your problem.

Tell ya' what, swing by my paddock at next years ARRC and we can talk about it over a beer or 6 if you don't have it sorted out by then. (FWIW, I was the blue Civic trying to close in on you during the ARRC Sprint this year. Couldn't quite pull it off though... you've definitely got some straight line talent compared to where I was!).

Christian

[Marcus Miller]

I'm not implying... I'm flat out stating that there is a legal solution to your PS overheating problem. Sometimes the answer isn't to rewrite a rule, it's to think deeper and broader on how to take advantage of the current ruleset to solve your problem.

Tell ya' what, swing by my paddock at next years ARRC and we can talk about it over a beer or 6 if you don't have it sorted out by then. (FWIW, I was the blue Civic trying to close in on you during the ARRC Sprint this year. Couldn't quite pull it off though... you've definitely got some straight line talent compared to where I was!).

Christian

Christian is being modest, he has got an F`ing brilliant way of solving this....
Its very Penske-can-am/trans-am day of old esque. though, legal.

[Greg Amy]

OK: Uncle. I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

However, PS coolers are free simply because of D.3.b: "Oil cooler(s) may be added or substituted." Power steering is part of the engine. Power steering fluid is a hydraulic oil. It needs to be cooled.

Thus, power steering fluid radiators are free. Always have been.

GA, whose NX2000 came with a PS cooler from the factory; well, if you consider a steel tube that passes left then right across the front of the car a "cooler". SE-Rs actually have finned coolers stock...

[Rabbit07]

OK: Uncle. I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

However, PS coolers are free simply because of D.3.b: "Oil cooler(s) may be added or substituted." Power steering is part of the engine. Power steering fluid is a hydraulic oil. It needs to be cooled.

Thus, power steering fluid radiators are free. Always have been.

GA, whose NX2000 came with a PS cooler from the factory; well, if you consider a steel tube that passes left then right across the front of the car a "cooler". SE-Rs actually have finned coolers stock...

I am sorry if this seems like a stretch to me? Power Steering is part of the steering system, not the engine? Following your logic Greg, the transmission is part of the engine also since it bolts to the engine, so trans coolers are open also.

I am not trying to be arguementative, but I just interpret the rule differently.........

[Greg Amy]

Power Steering is part of the steering system, not the engine?

Then explain why power steering lines are mentioned in D.1.h, "Reciprocating Engines": "Oil and power steering hoses may be replaced with metal braided hose (i.e. Aeroquip)"?

Sorry, SCCA, can't have it both ways...

Oh, and ITAC guys? If you attempt to change this, please note that this is NOT "Errors and Omissions," it's a rule change, that must go through the whole process. Always has been...

GA

[Rabbit07]

I'm not implying... I'm flat out stating that there is a legal solution to your PS overheating problem. Sometimes the answer isn't to rewrite a rule, it's to think deeper and broader on how to take advantage of the current ruleset to solve your problem.

Tell ya' what, swing by my paddock at next years ARRC and we can talk about it over a beer or 6 if you don't have it sorted out by then. (FWIW, I was the blue Civic trying to close in on you during the ARRC Sprint this year. Couldn't quite pull it off though... you've definitely got some straight line talent compared to where I was!).

Christian

Christian I never drink on race weekends ( As my nose grows longer) I would like to see your idea. My point is that this very creative rules interpretation stuff is why we have a difficult time adjusting rules even if they make sense.

And yeah Neons handle well in a stright line. I can tell you though that my striaghtline speeds are not the highest in the class.

[Xian]

OK: Uncle. I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

Just taking notes from you...

However, PS coolers are free simply because of D.3.b: "Oil cooler(s) may be added or substituted." Power steering is part of the engine. Power steering fluid is a hydraulic oil. It needs to be cooled.

Thus, power steering fluid radiators are free. Always have been.

GA, whose NX2000 came with a PS cooler from the factory; well, if you consider a steel tube that passes left then right across the front of the car a "cooler". SE-Rs actually have finned coolers stock...

Interesting "read" and sounds relatively solid. Certainly not something I was thinking of. FWIW, my EX has the same sort of PS finned loop.

Christian I never drink on race weekends ( As my nose grows longer) I would like to see your idea. My point is that this very creative rules interpretation stuff is why we have a difficult time adjusting rules even if they make sense.

And yeah Neons handle well in a stright line. I can tell you though that my striaghtline speeds are not the highest in the class.

Never drink on race weekends? Riiiiiight.

That's the tough thing with rules. Make a seemingly simple change and you open up a ton of ways to exploit it. IMO, better the devil we know than the devil we don't.

I doubt that I'm that far off you on pure top speed but your torque would kill me coming off T7... even when I got a decent run on you.

[Rabbit07]

I doubt that I'm that far off you on pure top speed but your torque would kill me coming off T7... even when I got a decent run on you.

Yeah, getting a run on a Neon always seems to make people upset. We are so slow through corners, yet still seem to drive away............. Seems to be the only advantage we have. Although I have to say that the new brake compounds I am using seemed to have helped in the brake department.