No more aluminum drums for 240/260/280z cars

[Knestis]

>> IF the drums, even steel ones are NLA, that will effectively end the Z in ITS. Please correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think the ITAC would approve an upgrade to discs for the drum equipped Z's. ...Just thinking out loud........ Could a weight penalty offset an upgrade from Z drums to ZX rear disc brakes? Of course there is the follow on questions regarding larger M/C, etc., etc, etc.....

No - you aren't wrong. It's WAY too slippery a slope to start doing that kind of thing.

And it would be nice if y'all wouldn't presume that the ITAC is as dismissive as "go run Production" sounds. It's not an easy thing to accommodate what we think - and we hear from the membership - the category needs in the long term to be healthy, particularly when we have to upset individual members by not giving what is clearly best for them personally.

K

[pballance]

>> .....

No - you aren't wrong. It's WAY too slippery a slope to start doing that kind of thing.

And it would be nice if y'all wouldn't presume that the ITAC is as dismissive as "go run Production" sounds. It's not an easy thing to accommodate what we think - and we hear from the membership - the category needs in the long term to be healthy, particularly when we have to upset individual members by not giving what is clearly best for them personally.

K

No intent on my part to be dissmissive at all. I was wondering out loud if a weight penalty might allow a change. I agree, it is a slippery slope as I indicated and I also indicated it was beyond the philosophy of the class.

I would prefer the class remain healthy even if my currently chosen car effectively "ages out."

Kirk, I don't envy the job that the ITAC performs. Someone has to do it, it is appreciated (even though you may not hear it very often), and necessary for the health of the club. You won't hear any complaints from me even if told to go run production.
I don't have to agree with everything ITAC does but I have to respect the honest efforts to make informed, equitable decisions, for the good of the club.

For that I say thanks to all of you, not just Kirk!

[JeffYoung]

Ditto on Paul's post.

Plus, I wouldn't support a change due to NLA -- for my car or any other. At some point, cars have to age out of IT. When you can get parts, well, go race vintage, or something else.

This will happen to the TR8 eventually, and I accept that.

[andrew240z]

Hey guys I dont post here often but I do lurk quite a bit. I have a 240z that I was considering for ITS but it does seem a little silly to build a car that doesnt really have a chance to win. I already have a front running ita car so I dont pay as much attention to the Z as I should. I have to build a motor for it now but other than that it is ready to race. I dont have the funds to go production and I cant decide which direction to go in. The best viable option is run in nasa pt class where I can make changes and just take a points hit and keep going. I have been thinking about the car tonight as I moved around some spare parts and then noticed this thread. I really miss driving it, I ran the Pocono double in it last year and had a blast. Hopefully I will get it out again soon.

[JeffYoung]

Andrew, good to see you posting.

One thing -- 240zs have more than a chance of winning, I consider a top prep one to be one of THE cars to have. Just ask John Williams, or David Spillman. They have run up front at the ARRC, very recently.

[dspillrat]

Just jabbing at ya Andrew..... Zs still can run at times...... We'll Z ya at VIR........

I want to see eckrich in a dang miotter..... Fast little critters.

VIR role call??

[JeffYoung]

In! Got the pole last time up there, at just over 2:19.....sounds like the competition is coming this time though...lol.....Steve E. says he has a new RX7 ready for us.

[Ron Earp]

Just jabbing at ya Andrew..... Zs still can run at times...... We'll Z ya at VIR........

I want to see eckrich in a dang miotter..... Fast little critters.

VIR role call??

In at VIR.

Shhhhh on the 240Z. Let'em think you can't be competitive, more Z shells and parts for the rest of us!

Yeah, you need to count those lobes: one, two, three, four....all the way up to twenty four. If you got twenty four good lobes on your OS Giken 240Z cylinder head then you're doing fine.

Be good to see you up at VIR David!

I've heard a number of rumors of fast ITS drivers readying Miatas.......

[Ron Earp]

And it would be nice if y'all wouldn't presume that the ITAC is as dismissive as "go run Production" sounds. It's not an easy thing to accommodate what we think - and we hear from the membership - the category needs in the long term to be healthy, particularly when we have to upset individual members by not giving what is clearly best for them personally.

K

Sorry of that came off in an abrasive manner. Let me re-phrase that in a friendlier way: I, and I think most of the IT folks we race with as well as the ITAC, would say "go run production". And I'd agree, It just isn't how things work in IT.

It is way too slippery of a slope. Sure, I'd love to run my Z with rear discs conversions but that isn't a good thing for IT as a whole.

Now that other stuff about renaming the Prod/IT stuff, I'm dead serious.