Any news on ITB weights???

[Terry Hanushek]

Matt / ITAC

I would think that any reprocess would probably not be implemented until 2014, pending completion by us and approval from the CRB. That said, I'd like to see it done during this year, so it can be put in place ASAP.

I would think that to make it effective in 2014 that it should be approved by the BoD no later than their December meeting. Given the necessary competitor review time, CRB deliberations, negotiations, etc., there does not seem to be that much time to dawdle.

Terry

[Greg Amy]

Note that weight adjustments are allowed within the rules year.

- GA

[ShelbyRacer]

At this point, our plan is to go through the class in phases and discuss each item, and we've been gathing info to do that. We populated a spreadsheet a while back (thanks to previous ITACers for giving a decent starting point with an archive of info!) and have been trying to fill in the holes, using the divide and conquer method. I believe we'd like to send it to the CRB in packets so as not to overwhelm anyone and also to handle similar cars together for efficiency.

While I know we can adjust weights at any time, I (and I believe the rest of the ITAC) would prefer to do it between seasons if possible, so as to minimize any disruption for competitors.

Looking at what we have, I'd say we're about 25-30% done.

I'll try to update things as possible, as I'm not sure if our work would be noted at all in FasTrack until it's complete.

[Chip42]

It would definitely be in fastrack, but without a rules change (weight =/= rule) there likely would not be a "what do you think".

and yes, Terry is right that we are in deed running up short on time.

we're reviewing ITB because it's a mess of various ages of classification, technology, etc... and cars there often don't respond as well to the same published process inputs as a car from the past 20 years or so. there's also a lot of development knowledge to draw from in many cases.

It needs to be done because every new car classed further offset the balance toward those that "fit" the "as processed" class, and those that don't.

[Bill Miller]

Good job guys, keep up the good work.

[Terry Hanushek]

Note that weight adjustments are allowed within the rules year.

I am aware that a weight adjustment is not a rule change subject to the rules season. It can be helpful to make a necessary adjustment to a car weight in real time. However, a project to review / adjust the weights of all of the cars in a class with its potential shift in class balance should be announced / approved at the end of the year for implementation in the following year.

This is simply an observation, not a suggestion that the ITAC is not making good project. It is a complex task.

Terry

[AE86ITA]

Since all the 4AG powered cars have a weight reduction coming(since the AW11 MR2), could that be taken care of before the rest of ITB?

[ShelbyRacer]

Since all the 4AG powered cars have a weight reduction coming(since the AW11 MR2), could that be taken care of before the rest of ITB?

Yes, that's one of the points of the project. During a reprocess, inconsistencies like that should be taken care of.

[lateapex911]

To my recollection, a sweeping reorg such as whats been discussed will require more time for the CRB. (than December '13). I'd suggest that it be done as a whole, (you all know this, I think), so the CRb can see the whole picture. I remember being told "August" on things like this by the CRB, if we wanted January action.
So, yea, unless things have changed up the line and they are muuuuch faster (Which would be GREAT!!! There are STILL some ITAC items in the old CRB drawers, I'd bet, LOL), 14 is a optimistic goal if you're looking at a 30% completion point currently.

[ShelbyRacer]

Well, just to be clear, the 30% we have "done" is the following-

A spreadsheet was "created" (cough*stolenfromKirk*cough)
Formulae were updated
All current data was loaded in it
Many of the "known" data points for stock HP and any adders were inserted
Much investigation was done to try to "fill in the blanks"
The task was presented to the ITAC
Work load to find missing info/confirm data/etc. was divided amongst the current ITAC members
Individual work has commenced

At this point, no presentation of data has been made to the CRB, and therefore nothing has been approved/denied/etc. It's all with us at this point.

Just want to be as detailed as I can, so that no one misinterprets anything