Originally Posted by
jumbojimbo
Way to get personal right off the bat. And don't worry, I get to watch PR on DVR thanks to my wife.
Way to offer nothing constructive in your first post.
But you can't legislate split second judgement.
It's done all the time, perhaps not in our hobby, but it's called a conditioned reflex. More importantly, if it takes you more than a split-second to determine that you are in a spin and your immediate reaction to that realization is not both feet in, you shouldn't be in a race car.
A draconian rule like this seems useless, even counterproductive since you can't possibly enforce it. Corner works as judges in a 3 car spin? Doubtful.
Ahhh, so the inability to accurately judge in every situation renders the rule useless in all situations... right......
We already have a rule that says "keep control of your car". There is no reason a protest couldn't be filed that the spinner didn't do that in this case, and not just the initial bad judgement on the pass, but also the lack of control after the spin.
Ignore whether there is a pass. Car spins in a corner, all alone. Fails to lock it down. Rolls back into another competitor who has plenty of room on the other side but just didn't get there in time. Exactly what rule has been broken? Avoidance of contact? You think that a judicial system that lets Chopper walk away unpunished from blatant contact will find him guilty in this situation? 6.11.1.C - Abrupt changes? Yeah.. that's going to happen.
You leave this to the discretion of the CS for a CSA or the ruling of the SoMs and nobody is going to get punished or, if they do, it will be a slap on the wrist. The punishment has to be sufficient that if you do it two or three times, you sit out for a while.
And who is going to initiate the hearing when you spin and no other cars are present or hit? You honestly think that a system where officials actively attempt to dissuade protests will generate a CSA or RFA? And we need to enforce this always because that's what conditions you to do it always.
No reason you couldn't give a judgement of "yeah, that was bad, don't do it again, points and probation".
Are you new to SCCA? You aren't going to get that out of the current system.
And over time if a person did things like this it would build up and show on the record. the issue is that only the most egregious conduct gets punished, and not even that 9 times out of 10. And seems like unless someone is getting the death penalty the trend is decide no fault. If responsibility is shared we call it a racing incident and now one is responsible.
Which is what I am proposing. I simply remove it from the current judicial process and sentencing phase because it has proven to be grossly incapable of action.
Also check out what being on probation actually means in the GCR -- 7.2.G.2 A driver on probation may be restricted to competing in his Division; limited to competing in certain types of levels of events; or required to perform specified event related activities, including attending an SCCA Drivers’ School.
I.e. Nothing related to cleaning up your act while on course. Probation only matters because it brings the automatic 3 points on your record.
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