LRP Results, stories and vids

[Drew M]

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here is a quick 2 minute segment of Saturday morning's ITR/S/B race showing
a successful (but very very very close) "Drive Off" to avoid Tyler Monroe's
off course/on course/off course excursion.

I suppose I was betting (correctly) that the grass was dry enough that I wouldn't
go right into the tire wall.

It's too bad Yannis (and Tim Mullen for that matter) weren't able to do this

http://vimeo.com/25408884

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That was me in the RX-7 you guys were coming up on. I cringed when I looked in my mirror and saw you almost get nailed.

Do you have the next minute or two of that video? I got stuck behind the yellow Golf when it missed west bend and the Ford and BMW went by me. I was not happy. You went by me coming out of the downhill on the last lap.

[gran racing]

But I would NEVER race an ITA guy as hard as i would an IT7 guy for the win. It's not respectful.

Totally depends on the circumstances. In a couple of rain races at LRP I had been close enough to the front of the ITS field...if I had a chance, I would have loved the overall win (without doing anything too foolish to anyone else). Not respectful, oh well. Conversely at the Glen with the two SSM leaders going at it, I settled back, and did not get in the way of their battle (although did have a little fun bumping to keep them close together).

In this instance, neither car had anyone to battle with in-class and I can see them wanting to have fun.

I guess is where in the field does it become respectful to battle someone in another class? 3rd place, 4th, 10th, 15th?

[Andy Bettencourt]

Jake,

Not sure I agree on your assessment of the overlap, it's 'amount' and how it disappeared. Either way, it was DAMN small, if anything when contact was initiated.

Like I said, putting myself in EACH drivers seat, I would hold myself accountable in BOTH cases. If I was Anthony, if I 'stay on line' when I knew a car could be there - I risk contact.

If I was Greg, I know that if I hold my line I risk contact on track out.

Both cars could have avoided it should eather driver chosen to go that way.

[dave parker]

Here is my view from West Virginia.
Both drivers fucked up and violated GCR 6.11.1 A,B,C, and D.
Both drivers have damaged racecars.
Both drivers are lucky that the stewards of this event are being lenient and letting "the boys sort it out".
If I was a steward at this event I would have through Chief Stewards Action or Request For Action reffered both to the SOM recommending they be disqualified for violating GCR 6.11.1 A,B,C,D.

Or we have both drivers scrotum's shaved publicly with a dull rusty razor. Driver's choice.




cheers
dave parker

[lateapex911]

Totally depends on the circumstances. In a couple of rain races at LRP I had been close enough to the front of the ITS field...if I had a chance, I would have loved the overall win (without doing anything too foolish to anyone else). Not respectful, oh well. Conversely at the Glen with the two SSM leaders going at it, I settled back, and did not get in the way of their battle (although did have a little fun bumping to keep them close together).

In this instance, neither car had anyone to battle with in-class and I can see them wanting to have fun.

I guess is where in the field does it become respectful to battle someone in another class? 3rd place, 4th, 10th, 15th?

yea, I was referring to a case where I would be trying to get around the lead (or top 3 say) ITA car in my IT7 car, and assuming that he was significantly ahead of his competition. I wouldn't push the "half alongside" go/no go decider as much in that case. I'd want to be clearly clean. CERTAINLY not a "I hope I'm clear" deal..

Jake,

Not sure I agree on your assessment of the overlap, it's 'amount' and how it disappeared. Either way, it was DAMN small, if anything when contact was initiated.

Like I said, putting myself in EACH drivers seat, I would hold myself accountable in BOTH cases. If I was Anthony, if I 'stay on line' when I knew a car could be there - I risk contact.

If I was Greg, I know that if I hold my line I risk contact on track out.

Both cars could have avoided it should either driver chosen to go that way.

Yea, I agree Andy, the bottom line is that it needed BOTH drivers to commit to their turf to make it happen.

I too would feel accountable in both cases. I'd feel more accountable if i were in the Porsche though, but maybe that's because I have no interest in holding a faster and lower classed car up. But yea, you're right.

[dj10]

I know and like both GA & Anthony. After watching the video and knowing the race was only half way completed leads me to believe that Anthony was doing more than just making his car wide he was blocking and instead of setting him up for a pass GA lost his cool and forced the issue. I didn't see anyone on GA's ass so he didn't need too do a desperate pass. Why Anthony was blocking is unknown to me since they are in different classes. I would have left GA by and watched him for awhile before trying again to pass him near the end of the race if it was possible. I didn't see any of the race before so something might have happened that I don't know about. I just commented on the video posted.
This is my story and I'm sticking to it. 8~P

[yannisalex2000]

Antony has been racing in the NE division for the past 10-12 years or so.For any one to suggest that he doesnt know his way around LR is plain wrong to say the least.Since both drivers are going to be racing in the same group for many years to come I say that the PR Departments tone the rhetoric down and let the two men resolve any issues they might have by themselves. Also there was another incident during the same race. We haven't heard anything from these drivers.No accusations no finger pointing no trash talk.NOTHING. NOT A WORD.I don't know maybe this is the correct way to handle things. JOHN A. ITR #53 WDC Region

[Jeremy Billiel]

Antony has been racing in the NE division for the past 10-12 years or so.For any one to suggest that he doesnt know his way around LR is plain wrong to say the least.Since both drivers are going to be racing in the same group for many years to come I say that the PR Departments tone the rhetoric down and let the two men resolve any issues they might have by themselves. Also there was another incident during the same race. We haven't heard anything from these drivers.No accusations no finger pointing no trash talk.NOTHING. NOT A WORD.I don't know maybe this is the correct way to handle things. JOHN A. ITR #53 WDC Region

I find it hard to believe that if Anthony is so good why he was so slow... How many hp does a freakin' 944 TURBO make?

[gran racing]

John, you posted your comments earlier in this thread didn't you?

If both parties are on the forum and can be fairly civil, why not share the learning experience for others to benefit and learn from? It also opens this up to different perspectives and takes on the incident.

[dj10]

I find it hard to believe that if Anthony is so good why he was so slow... How many hp does a freakin' 944 TURBO make?

Jeremy as you know there could be a multipal factors for why a person isn't going fast. I'm not condoning anybody in that video for what happen but if his handling was off, tires, maybe a couple of other factors we don't know about. I know it's happened to me also the only difference I wasn't trying to stay in the lead. I know his turbo has a restrictor.

I do know John A. is right these guys need to be honest with themselves and each other and talk it out.

My own personal feelings on blocking is that it should not be part of racing even in pro and in-class racing, making your car wide is something altogether different. You block, you do it at your own peril.

[lateapex911]

Antony has been racing in the NE division for the past 10-12 years or so.For any one to suggest that he doesnt know his way around LR is plain wrong to say the least.

Good point. ITA and SM cars are in the 2s. Antony, with one of the best chassis ever under him, and nearly 3 times the hp pushing the car was significantly slower. So, something wasn't right there. Not saying he doesn't know 'how to get around LRP", but it wasn't showing at that point.

I've been racing for many years, but I would bet my house that Bill Auberlin would freakin school me in my own car around any track I chose. He's got talent. I don't have that talent. Experience isn't the only story.

[Jeremy Billiel]

Is mylaps available yet?