Rental Costs

[Knestis]

I'll just run around the room yelling, "RAAAAANG, RAAAAAAAANG!" at the top of my lungs instead...

K

[gran racing]

(I can't WAIT to hear the responses to that, LOL)

Ummm, Okay!!!

[tyler raatz]

Our basic rental rates for the ITA Civic,
our ITA Miata (2010 13hr ) and SM are pretty much the same
STL Miata is a bit more.
This is for a known winning package...

Single SARRC $1200
Double SARRC $1800
Standard ECR with SARRC $1000 over SARRC fee
ECR by itself $1500
ECR with 1 car owner as 2nd driver $850
ARRC or 3hr Enduro $2000
Mid Ohio 8hr $1500/paying driver, 4 drivers + tow fee
VIR 13 up to $1800/paying driver, 4 drivers
NJMP Devil in the dark 12hrs (dependant on tow cost) up to $1800/driver, 4 drivers
All drivers for the big enduros split food cost and lodging bill for the crew, crew pays zero to help us.
$2000 damage deposit paid in full before turning a wheel in the car, $12000 max responsibility for a totaled car.

I fully agree with what everyone else is saying. Get a year of racing under your belt, prove what the car can do, rent to buddies for cheap to start out. You will be amazed at the amount of work it takes to prep a front running enduro car, it is expensive and necessary to keep arive and drive renters coming back for more.

Tyler Raatz
-C&R Motorsports-
-Road Race gear Sports car rentals-

[lateapex911]

Tyler, thanks for sharing the info. One aspect that hasn't really been mentioned but can and does happen is, what happens when say I give you the up front $2000, and my fee, and the money for the crew food and lodging for an enduro, and the first driver stuffs it into the turn 11 wall at RA in some "I'm' pitting" screw up, and I'm left standing with my suit and helmet on, never having turned a wheel? (And, lets say the other driver was in for qualifying and the session got redflagged so I didn't turn a wheel then).

(I mention this, because it's an aspect of racing that sucks all around, but if you don't deal with it upfront, there can be tears shed after)

[callard]

what happens when say I give you the up front $2000, and my fee, and the money for the crew food and lodging for an enduro, and the first driver stuffs it

Easy. The beer party starts early for your team!

[Simon T.]

Tyler, thanks for sharing the info. One aspect that hasn't really been mentioned but can and does happen is, what happens when say I give you the up front $2000, and my fee, and the money for the crew food and lodging for an enduro, and the first driver stuffs it into the turn 11 wall at RA in some "I'm' pitting" screw up, and I'm left standing with my suit and helmet on, never having turned a wheel? (And, lets say the other driver was in for qualifying and the session got redflagged so I didn't turn a wheel then).

(I mention this, because it's an aspect of racing that sucks all around, but if you don't deal with it upfront, there can be tears shed after)

That's the exact thought I had yesterday, I'm interested to see input on that.

Thanks for posting those prices Tyler that's a good comparison.

[Simon T.]

While we're on the cost subject, I've added up what I think is a good year budget, although it's horrifying.

I got a little under $10,000 for six races or so and that's not including towing costs, oil changes, extra parts, etc. It includes entry fees, tires, food, gas, brake pads, and that's about it. Does that sound right?

[lateapex911]

The "not includings" is far more significant:

The paper towels, brake kleen, bearings, hubs, pressure plates (while you're at it on the clutch), replaced mufflers, bodywork form the newb who t boned you in the corner at the end of the straight when he tried the 1 marker, the replaced windshield from the stone that got thrown up, the replaced master switch that fried on grid and cost you that race, (and the wire and connectors and the special crimp too you got because you thought that was the problem, the fuel filters, the new fuel system because the tank has rust, the blown out tire on the tow vehicle, the gloves and pads for your crew guys, the containers to hold all the spares that go to the track, ....and all the stupid two and one day shipping charges to get the part that just snapped when you went to load the car shipped to you in time for your race so you don't 'waste' the time you've locked into taking off from work and the entry fee......should I go on?

[Knestis]

To Jake's question, that's kind of how it goes...

The problem is that for the team/car owner, almost all of the costs are sunk at that point. Thank goodness we've never had that happen. Well, we DID have it happen when Greg got Miata'd the first time on lap 4 or whatever it was, but Cameron and the guys got us back in after just a few minutes...

That's also why as the owner, my default preference is to go last in the rotation, to help assure that everyone gets some track time just in case. The wacky thing is that, over and over, my co-drivers have elected to put me in FIRST, the thought being that they were less likely to get caught up in the early silliness.

K

[JLawton]

While we're on the cost subject, I've added up what I think is a good year budget, although it's horrifying.

I got a little under $10,000 for six races or so and that's not including towing costs, oil changes, extra parts, etc. It includes entry fees, tires, food, gas, brake pads, and that's about it. Does that sound right?

Are you talking an enduro season?

See my note on your other thread. I was able to do a full season for $5K in a 944 when I first started. Was I slow? Hell yeah!! but I was out there having fun and learning. I'd have to look back but I think I had a couple of seasons in my ITB rabbitt for about the same. But I was also lucky I had no major failures or crashes.

You don't EVEN want to know what I spent this past season to win the NARRC championship..............

If you want to do the responsible thing financially? Don't race.......... We're all whacked to be doing this..........