1988 Porsche 911

pweishaupt

pweishaupt

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I've been looking through the '09 GCR and can't find an IT class for the 1988 porsche 911. Did I miss it? or is there no IT class for '88's?

Thanks,

Pete
 
Pete
Sadly, the SCCA has been scared of the Porsche cars since the late fifties when "the Giant Killer" known as Bruce Jennings to the rest of the world, cleaned everyones clock with a 356 Carrera. Ever since then the club has tended to classify the Porsche cars at a disadvantage.
You would think that this would change somewhat in the modern era with the club looking for all the entry dollars it can get. Too bad, because the 86-89 911's were great cars and are raced in both PCA and the NASA GTS series.

Something to keep in mind though, with the economic downturn the ITE field at DC Region races is looking very small and some wins could be had without breaking the bank.
If you have any questions feel free to ask here or PM me.
cheers
dave parker
 
I don't think that is true in IT. Vaughan Scott's 924 is quite competitive in ITB. 944S is very competitive in ITS, if not potentially dominant, and the 944S2 (along with the 968) is one of the cars to have in ITR.

The problem with the late model 911s and IT is stock horsepower. Pretty much anything with more than 240 stock hp is just not going to fit in ITR, which is the "fastest" of the IT classes. That means most 911s are a no go. The ones that fit in ITS and ITR have been classed there.

dave parker said:
Pete
Sadly, the SCCA has been scared of the Porsche cars since the late fifties when "the Giant Killer" known as Bruce Jennings to the rest of the world, cleaned everyones clock with a 356 Carrera. Ever since then the club has tended to classify the Porsche cars at a disadvantage.
You would think that this would change somewhat in the modern era with the club looking for all the entry dollars it can get. Too bad, because the 86-89 911's were great cars and are raced in both PCA and the NASA GTS series.

Something to keep in mind though, with the economic downturn the ITE field at DC Region races is looking very small and some wins could be had without breaking the bank.
If you have any questions feel free to ask here or PM me.
cheers
dave parker
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callard said:
Spu!
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Not sure what that means, but if it roughly translates into "HOGWASH!" in response to Dave's post, I'll give that a +1.

"cared of the Porsche cars since the late fifties.."??? Methinks you've been reading too many Al Cosentino columns (R.I.P.Al)!!!!

Nope, as Jeff accurately describes, Porsche is simply nothing more than a victim of its own success. When they decide to not be as good as they are/were (revival of the four-cylinder 912, anyone?) then they'll be quickly classified into Improved Touring.

Until then: Spu!

;)
 
SPU is actually something like Street Prepared Under some cc number. It's a catch all class and very few entries normally.
 
Thanks for all the input. I've already got the 911 so I was hoping to keep using it. I've had it out at Summit Point with PCA and wanted to try IT. I've been an SCCA member for two years and have done nada. So I'd like to try out ITA or ITB, ITC, etc. I'm looking to race with the minimum of mods and/or fuss. Looks like I'll have to find a different car.....
 
Guys, I think Greg knows what SPU is................ He was just joking on that one......


Pete, there are a lot of great IT cars out there for short money and will be a LOT less expensive to run than your Porsche. I actually started out my racing with the PCA in a 944. Then went to SCCA with it and got my ass handed to me!!! LOL I have to admit that I got hung up on racing a Porsche and it took me a few years to realize that I can have just as much (or even more) fun for less money and be very competitive. I now race a Saturn (don't laugh!!) and run seconds FASTER at Lime Rock than I did in the Porsche. Good luck!!!
 
My apologies, i was thinking STU and typed SPU.
Many of the local PCA folks in the DC area raced their cars in IT-E at Summit Point. Some with fair success. I don't think the Targa body qualifies anywhere in IT though. I raced a 911 Targa in the '80s but it was in D-Prod and then in GT-3. Dave Coleman and I dominated those classes and I thought that an IT-S 911 might stand a chance. I've learned an expensive lesson.
My IT-S Benz can produce the target process horsepower whereas the 911 was already stretched by the factory and doesn't come close.
Chuck
 
Isn't the 1988 911 a 3.2L flat six at 217 hp? If so that would fit right in ITR.

If that is correct ask to have the car classed in ITR.
 
go to crbscca.com, and submit a request. I'm betting that car will need to make 222 at the wheels to be in the hunt.

Take 271 and multiply by the ITR factor (I'm drawing a blank, anyone?) and you'll get the weight. I don't think it's brakes warrant an adder in ITR.

I THINK the ITR factor is 10.9, and that yields 2950.

Gotta double check those numbers though.

Now, if you think that 271 at the crank, which converts to 222 at the wheels is not realistic of what that engine can make in IT trim, then supply documentation, or at least clues to follow up on in your request. Dyno sheets, known builders experiences, etc. Otherwise, it'll go in at 25%.

(I don't know my late 80s Carreras that well, but off the top of my head, I think that 271 crank number is a streeeetch. Do some homework if you agree.)

Also, if the car is already a race car, great, but check issues like seam welding and cage attachment points to ensure SCCA legality. If not yet built, run a spreadsheet first, Porsches are expensive builds , esp 911s.
 
a 3.2 Carrara would be a good car for the ITR class - the Targa is less desirable than the hardtop but it'll still be a fine car. Keep us posted if you submit for classification in ITR.
 
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