Having run them all, I'm with Kirk. Anything less than 6 hours doesn't really require a TEAM effort. Enduros aren't about one or two hero drivers but about a team working on car preparation, strategy and execution.
Chuck
Having run them all, I'm with Kirk. Anything less than 6 hours doesn't really require a TEAM effort. Enduros aren't about one or two hero drivers but about a team working on car preparation, strategy and execution.
Chuck
I'm with Kirk and Chuck. 6 hours+.
A 3 hour 'enduro' is still a sprint race in how we prepare.
Marcus
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Ah, the Enduro Elitists. Yea, I am sure the 6 hour / 13 hour /24 hour races are great.
This is not about whats fun. Its about what the minimum should be. Yes, there is more TEAM required to run all day long. There are also a lot guys that can't afford a TEAM. Can't afford all the tires and fuel. Can't afford to rebuild the car after one race.
It would be ridiculous to have no racing between a 30 minute IT spring race and a 6 hour race. Further, while I know Kirk loves the long runs I also see his posts regular trying to sell co-drivers so that he can come to the track and see his posts saying he didnt race because he couldnt get the co-drivers and the funding.
I can run a three hour race with one friend. That friend can be a driver or a none driver and I can have fun. I am fine with the option to race all day and all night if I want to, but I am not going to side up with you guys that think a race as long as the Indy 500 is not an enduro.
BTW...Kirk, if they let me refuel without getting out of the car and no minimum pit stop time, I'd race you with your 3 hour rules.
Rob Bodle
Rob Bodle Images, LLC
RBI Competition
2007 ARRC Three hour "not a real" Enduro ITO Co-Champion.
2009 ARRC ITO Champion.
2009 ARRC Enduro Pole Winner
2010 ARRC ITO Champion(car owner for Cliff Brown)
2011 ARRC ITO Champion
>> This is not about whats fun. Its about what the minimum should be.
It's about what the minimum should be for something to be called an "enduro." I love me a 3-hour race. We won the NASA 3-hour at VIR in '07 overall. I spent most of the entire thing giggling like an idiot - except for a short trip to the tire wall and subsequent wheel change. HUGE FUN.
But an enduro it ain't. I'd way prefer it if Regionals were one group of cars on the track for 3 hours, rather than 4 groups on the track for 20 minutes each, with standing around in between sessions.
Enduro Elitists UNITE...!
K
PS - I still have room for one more for the VIR 13. LOL.
PPS - If someone were considering some kind of "enduro" series, it would be very cool to weight the points by distance. That would balance out the risk/reward, cost/benefit math.
Anything originally scheduled for over 45 minutes is an Enduro.
The long races are struggling to survive. The Homestead race is dead. The Ledges race was cut in half hoping to survive. The 6 hour Road Atlanta race had 25 cars in it.
There is a 9 hour at Road Atlanta in December. How many of you guys are going to be there? I am the series director and would love to see you.
Conversely we can make 3 hour races work all year long.
We run an enduro at each NASA SE event. Would love to see you out there. Its a lot easier to get car count when the race is a reasonable lenth.
Rob Bodle
Rob Bodle Images, LLC
RBI Competition
2007 ARRC Three hour "not a real" Enduro ITO Co-Champion.
2009 ARRC ITO Champion.
2009 ARRC Enduro Pole Winner
2010 ARRC ITO Champion(car owner for Cliff Brown)
2011 ARRC ITO Champion
Sure going to try.
...and a lot easier to enter if they had an equitable, fair head and neck restraint rule, rather than a restraint-of-trade H&N system rule.We run an enduro at each NASA SE event. Would love to see you out there. Its a lot easier to get car count when the race is a reasonable lenth.
Point is that everything potentially matters when it comes to picking - so defining - races. Think what you want but I can make the math for a 12 hour enduro work out better than for a 3-hour simply because people - some people, not everyone - are willing to pay for a seat in a long race, where they aren't willing to pay what it costs to run 1/2 of a 3-hour.
K
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