I would do a race at Summit also - that's a fantastic race and the region puts on a really excellent event. There is a whole crew at that place that cool to meet.
I would do a race at Summit also - that's a fantastic race and the region puts on a really excellent event. There is a whole crew at that place that cool to meet.
BenSpeed
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What he said ^
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I am concerned.
While we have in Pro-IT a great series, organized by terrific and caring individuals, and attended by enthusiastic participants, I do not think we have adequately concerned ourselves with the bigger picture.
By design, the Pro-IT series is parasitic. It requires a host to put on the event, schedule the track, organize the volunteers and paid workers, etc. etc. etc.
par⋅a⋅site [par-uh-sahyt] –noun 1.an organism that lives on or in an organism of another species, known as the host, from the body of which it obtains nutriment.
While the word parasite has a generally negative connotation, that is not the point I am trying to make. What I am concerned about is that we have many people supporting the development of the parasite, disproportionate to the comparatively meager support of the host.
Without a healthy host, the parasite eventually dies.
To illustrate this, I need only point out the current preregistration numbers for the October Pro-IT and Regional event at NJMP:
...... Reg ....Pro
SM..... 1...... 3
ITR.... 3...... 8
ITS.... 2...... 9
ITB.... 1...... 3
ITA.... 1...... 1
....... 8...... 24
I know many of you have read at least a few of the other threads regarding the future of IT. While much of the talk is of rule changes, there is still a considerable amount of discussion about the current recession driven overcapacity (ie too many events, not enough participants).
Some make take my remarks as "Glenn calling the baby ugly", but they are meant to encourage discussion that will make the host healthy, to continue the success of the newly popular Pro-IT series.
For example, I support the suggestion that future Pro-It races not be scheduled on the same days as a regional event at a different "nearby" track.
Also, in reference to the chart above, I suggest that in future Pro-IT races that are held with Regionals, paid participation in the Regional should be a requirement for the Pro-IT.
To this idea I know that some might say "I cannot afford to do both the regional and the Pro-IT"...to that I respond that you are asking others to carry the load for you, and those others are not forthcoming.
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Glenn Lawton
GSMmotorsports
#14 ITS RX7
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NERRC ITS Champion 2013 12 11 10 09 08
NERRC STU Champion 2010
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Glenn,
The Oct Pro-IT/Reg is Fri/Sat/Sun. I think that having 2 races back to back with event participation on Fri may be part of the problem. I'll go to the Oct Pro-IT but not the regional for this reason. I can only give my employees so many unpaid fridays off before they asked me to pay them!! For all the self-employeed folks out there having to take another day off really adds to the weekend costs.
R
Rob Breault
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2008 Driving Impressions Pro-ITA Champion
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2009 Team DI Pro-ITR Champion
I share your concerns Glenn. The discount for the combination of reg and Pro IT is a great thing and the region tries the best to make it work.
However for this case we need to consider that not everyone can make it Friday (means travel to NJ on Thursday). If everything is on the weekend it should be less of a problem to run both. Also as a guess it might be too much driving time that specific weekend for some - tires, personal fitness etc. Last but not least the regional that weekend is not a NARRC points race.
So again, I second your point, just that weekend is a bit more difficult.
Rob Thiele - BMW 328is ITR
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Maybe going back to the 1- ProIT race per weekend along with the regional would help? As much as I like 2 long races the regions do have to survive. I believe it is the extra Friday that is hurting. If you plan 2- ProIT races then they much be indendpendent & held on their own weekends, not to hurt the regions.
IMO
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I understand.
For me anyway, the fact that there are 5 races in one event weekend is a major plus...and since it isn't a points race, my plan is to gather up all my "still good but not fast enough to win" tires, and use them up.
As to this event's schedule, Friday is merely two qualifying sessions for the Regional. My intention is to show up late Friday night, miss the Qualifiers, and start from the back. Once again, this isn't a points event.
I really do understand that each of us may have a particular difficulty with this event. However, I only used this as an example, since the data is so compelling.
My point is really bigger than this one event. I know of several friends that I have had fun racing with in prior years, who have decided to only race the Pro-IT series in 2009. If too many people take that path, the parasite outgrows the host, and poof....
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Glenn Lawton
GSMmotorsports
#14 ITS RX7
NARRC ITS Champion 2012
NERRC ITS Champion 2013 12 11 10 09 08
NERRC STU Champion 2010
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of course joe would think of this one 1st!
allright.... enough!
SOME ITR DRIVERS NEED TO GO FASTER. c'mon guys.... why is a miata anywhere near you. think about.
also i think a better tone towards other racers is in order. issues with drivers should be discussed amongst those drivers and officials if necessary, not on a forum where is does no good.
you can keep bashing the miata contingent as much as you like. we are not going away anytime soon BUT i can guarantee darell anthony and bob zecca, that as soon as you take away SM as a class, you are going to lose entries (MONEY)!
we run in the pro it series for the same reasons like everyone else:
lots of time, excellent format, a few bucks to be had to offset expenses and generally a fantastic group of drivers and crew.
you don't hear us complaining that spec miata is not listed as part of the series name???
it's called PRO IT, which is just fine.
for those who are clueless, bumpdrafting (according to wikipedia) is as follows:
Bump drafting Bump drafting is a tactic used in NASCAR races at Talladega Superspeedway and Daytona International Speedway. The technique was initially popularized by the Archer Brothers in the SCCA Sportruck series during the late 1980s.[4] It begins as normal drafting, but the following car pulls up behind the lead car and bumps into the rear of it, pushing the lead car ahead, to maintain momentum.
If done roughly or in the wrong position (e.g. close to the entry of the turn), this tactic can destabilize the handling of the lead car sometimes causing a crash. Use of the tactic in this manner is known as slam drafting.
in other words...
don't do it entering a braking zone
don't do it in the middle of a corner
don't do it exiting a corner
yes i know it's not allowed by scca. but it happens. the scca officials will have to deem what is not acceptable.
NO.
i agree to give the miatas a split start (trust me, we love them) and all the 1st lap b.s. can be avoided for the most part.
but keep SM.
this series is only 2 years old. let's not change so much of it that we lose sight of what it could be 5-10 years from now.
YES,YES,YES!!!!
more tracks...although i disagree with the order of importance.....Pocono should be at the top.
bump
Good luck to all the TeamDI Pro IT and NorthEast drivers attending the ARRC. Bring home some metal!
Thanks,
Darrell Anthony
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Points Structure:
The one feedback that I have received is that the points system is too skewed to larger classes. Right now both entry points and finishing points are based on the number of cars in class. Would it be more meaningful to just count finishing points? Should the entry points go away? Thoughts?
If entry points went away:
ITR - no change
ITS - 2nd and 3rd would have swapped
ITA - no change
ITB - no change
ITC - no change
SM - 3rd would have changed
Check www.NJRRS.com for the 2010 rules and schedule. Check FB for sponsor info.
Thanks,
Darrell Anthony
Can anyone jump in on a single race? I wouldnt mind driving the lime rock race.
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No problem for Lime Rock in May. As long as you and your car meets the requirements just be one of the first 38 to register.
Thanks,
Darrell Anthony
I'll have to look into how those requirements differ from IT. Cool thanks!
Drew
No difference, if you have an ITR, ITS, ITA (IT7), ITB, ITC, or SM (SSM) it fits. There are even a few NASA cars that fit. Check www.NJRRS.com and come on out.
Thanks,
Darrell Anthony
Another alternative for consideration is to base finishing points on the number of cars in class (no change) and assign a fixed number of entry points e.g. 25, regardless of the number of cars in class. The entry points will reward consistency and support for the series and finishing points will reward on-track accomplishment.Points Structure:
The one feedback that I have received is that the points system is too skewed to larger classes. Right now both entry points and finishing points are based on the number of cars in class. Would it be more meaningful to just count finishing points? Should the entry points go away? Thoughts?
Terry
Comments?
FROM:
6.1 ENTRY POINTS
Each entry will receive five (5) points times the number of entries in the class. The number of entries will be determined by the number of names listed in the Final Results less withdrawals and "no shows".
Example: 5 entries = 5 X 5 = 25 points to each entry.
TO:6.1 ENTRY POINTS
Each entry will receive five (5) points times the number of entries in the class. The number of entries will be determined by the number of names listed in the Final Results less withdrawals and "no shows". Maximum entry points per round shall be 25.
Example: 4 entries = 4 X 5 = 20 points to each entry.
Thanks,
Darrell Anthony
2010 Pro IT Series
Round 1 - April 10 - New Hampshire Motor Speedway - NER - with NeSCCA National
Round 2 - May 15 - Lime Rock Park - MoHud/NNJR - with NeSCCA National
Round 3 - June 5-6 - NJMP on Thunderbolt - SJR - NeSCCA National
Round 4 - June 26-27 - Summit Point Raceway- WDC - with NJRRS/MARRS
Round 5 - July 24-25 - Watkins Glen International - GLEN - with double NARRC
Round 6 & 7 - August 13-15 - NJMP on Thunderbolt - JRB - with ARCA
Rules have been updated on www.NJRRS.com
Things that changed:
Entry points
Prize funds
Comments welcome, see you in March at the RoundTable and the April at NHMS.
Thanks,
Darrell Anthony
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