July 25-26 WGI NARRC Event

[Seabee]

I was looking at the test schedule for the 24th. Is this correct, you only get two 1/2 hour sessions the entire day for $250.00????!!! Could this be a mistake??

Should be 3 sessions. I have tried to work with the region about this last year and it went on deaf ears. WGI says that the region sets the practice order and they love giving SRF their own run group.

When I suggested that LRP usually runs three groups (open, closed big bore and closed small bore) and it works fine. I was told then 'go test their'.

I tried to explain that I was simply trying to maximize everyone's on track time and when you see 5 cars out in a run group on a 3.5 mile course it is very frustrating.

Ok, rant over.

[mossaidis]

^^ I agree and fwiw their respond sucks. Why to cater to your clients (and not client).

[lateapex911]

Aren't they an ISC track? (Or whatever the NASCAR 'family' is). If so, I imagine they are like NHMS, which recently stated that they get 90% of their revenue from the NASCAR races. Now, NHMS has two races, but, you get the picture. We're a pimple on their ass, and they'll pop us any way they please, LOL.

[gran racing]

SCDA has 5 hours between next Mon. & Tues.

[tdw6974]

Should be 3 sessions. I have tried to work with the region about this last year and it went on deaf ears. WGI says that the region sets the practice order and they love giving SRF their own run group.
When I suggested that LRP usually runs three groups (open, closed big bore and closed small bore) and it works fine. I was told then 'go test their'.

I tried to explain that I was simply trying to maximize everyone's on track time and when you see 5 cars out in a run group on a 3.5 mile course it is very frustrating.

Ok, rant over.

HMMMM WGI controls the test Day. They take the Regions race group to set sessions. Low #s group can be combined and time increased for othet groups. TW

[Seabee]

Tom,

I went round and round with Ed Zebrowski and Tim Meddaugh about this. I did not save my emails from Ed or WGI. The WGI person is the tall female that takes your money for the test day.

Yes, WGI runs the test day but they do not set the groups - the region does. Again I am sorry I can not quote these.

I know you paddock very close to ED Z and if you wish to talk with him that would be great. Tim Meddaugh said he would never put SRF (I think he called them tanks) with the other open cars.

r/

[JohnRW]

Yes, WGI runs the test day but they do not set the groups - the region does. Again I am sorry I can not quote these.

Ummm.....no.

Being a member of the other Region that organizes races at WGI, and experienced both as a racer @ test days and as a Race Chairman for many WGI Nat'l & Reg'l races (including an upcoming one), I feel I can state with some authority that WGI establishes the Test Day Groupings, and the Regions have little to say about it. They may listen to opinions, but it's their "day" and they will construct the groupings as they feel appropriate. Depending on Test Day sign-ups, they will sometimes alter the schedule to reduce the # of groups and increase track time.

SRF can mix nicely with SM...heresy to some...but I've been in both an SRF and an SM on test days and, if drivers aren't ass-clowns, the mix works. SPU (depending on what definition of SPU is used) and Legends can't mix with bigger cars.

And...since the subject came up...mixing SRF with open wheel cars is a stupendously bad idea. Been there, done that. As an IT/SS/SRF/SM etc. owner/driver, I've been part of many messes in my race career...but the biggest on-track mess I've ever been involved in was last year at the Test Day before the Mosport Nat'l, when SRF was mixed with all formula & CSR/DSR. Let's just say I ended up 15' in the air in the middle of the back straight, and the landing wasn't pretty. Don't mix SRF with the lawn darts.

[StephenB]

Does anyone know if this race would count as 2 races to complete your novice permit requirements? Or do you need to go to a regional with 2 sanction #'s?

[nerregmsf]

According to the GCR, it's by sanction number. Here's the para.:
4.4.2. Participation Requirements
B. Credit for One Race Per Event
A driver shall receive credit for only one race per race group per sanctioned
event, regardless of the number of races entered. A Novice driver
shall receive credit for only one race per sanctioned event, regardless of
the number of races entered.

[Seabee]

JohnRW,

Then I must of been getting the run-around from Ed Z and WGI. My bad for deleting these emails.

All I tried to do was offer some suggestions for increasing track time. And my 5 years only experience at WGI has never seen a test day modified based on entries.

Again I will offer that the SRF seem to play nice with open wheel at LRP test days. I think the average speed is higher at LRP unless WGI has some other factors with elevation changes that make it hard too see each other.

Thanks for listening and offering your perspective.

r/