If you were king for a day?

[RedMisted]

Anybody who knows me will remember my moan about triangulated strut tower braces.

As King, I decree that you may now attach little thingy bars from your stayrod over to your engine cowl....and immediately proceed to go to town with the resulting suspension upgrades!

[RacerBill]

How about jack pads, limited size, but enough so that the frame is protected.

[seckerich]

I would have used ITR as a blank sheet to try some steps forward. These suggestions are ITR specific:

1. Leave ABS as almost every car classed came with it.
2. Every ITR car would get max 18" wheel.
3. Any shock with 2 external adjustments.
4. Use real HP and Torque numbers (yes they do exist) and publish them from multiple sources so all know what was used for classing and the math used==total transparency. If they are wrong someone will tell you and be asked to prove it.
5. Let all cars remove power steering and loop the rack (hp loss is not figured into formula)
6. What the devil is cruise control doing on a race car anyway?

Ducking now!!!

[ekim952522000]

I would have used ITR as a blank sheet to try some steps forward. These suggestions are ITR specific:

1. Leave ABS as almost every car classed came with it.
2. Every ITR car would get max 18" wheel.
3. Any shock with 2 external adjustments.
4. Use real HP and Torque numbers (yes they do exist) and publish them from multiple sources so all know what was used for classing and the math used==total transparency. If they are wrong someone will tell you and be asked to prove it.
5. Let all cars remove power steering and loop the rack (hp loss is not figured into formula)
6. What the devil is cruise control doing on a race car anyway?

Ducking now!!!

Have you ever heard of open road racing in nevada were depending on safety equipment they give you a target speed to maintain for the whole 90 mile run. It is done on closed public highways and your goal is to stay as close to the target speed as possible like say 150mph. I bet cruise control would be nice for that.

http://www.openroadracing.com/index.html

[RacerBill]

Have you ever heard of open road racing in nevada were depending on safety equipment they give you a target speed to maintain for the whole 90 mile run. It is done on closed public highways and your goal is to stay as close to the target speed as possible like say 150mph. I bet cruise control would be nice for that.

http://www.openroadracing.com/index.html

I remember the first time One Lap of America used the road coruse at ORP. Each car was supposed to fininsh one lap at an average speed of 50mph. You know what happened when they tried to maintain 50 all the way around!!!!!!!!!

[Duc]

1. Leave ABS as almost every car classed came with it.


Ducking now!!!

ABS at 150 scares me, those systems are not designed for those speeds.


My Kingdom:

Cut the zip ties off the heater core and use it for target practice, same with the water bottle.

Cage rules is open, keeping the current rule as the minimum, include piercing the firewall to allow the cage to extend to where our feet are. (loved the cages this weekend at 24Hr of Lemans)

Lose the side glass.

Any Head and Neck system, though one would be mandated. (Sorry simple safety rule)

Any two way adjustable shock

Any motor/ transmission/ body mounts.

[Z3_GoCar]

ABS at 150 scares me, those systems are not designed for those speeds.


My Kingdom:

Cut the zip ties off the heater core and use it for target practice, same with the water bottle.

Cage rules is open, keeping the current rule as the minimum, include piercing the firewall to allow the cage to extend to where our feet are. (loved the cages this weekend at 24Hr of Lemans)

Lose the side glass.

Any Head and Neck system, though one would be mandated. (Sorry simple safety rule)

Any two way adjustable shock

Any motor/ transmission/ body mounts.

Maybe the ABS on a Toyota isn't designed for those kinds of speeds, but my BMW and Porsche's are.

If I were king I'd make glue on vortex generators legal, kill the lift not the car. Also I'd either remove the front spoiler, or add a provision for a rear wing 10"x48" mounted no higher than 4" above the peak of the roof, depending on which side of the bed I woke up on Hey a guy who races a backward falling rain drop can dream??

ps.. I remove my support for Kirk "Tha Kang" Knetis and place behind Rob "Tha Tooffus" Bro

[Knestis]

...If I were king I'd make glue on vortex generators legal, kill the lift not the car. Also I'd either remove the front spoiler, or add a provision for a rear wing 10"x48" mounted no higher than 4" above the peak of the roof...

HAH! You don't have a kingdom. You have an parallel universe!

:026:

K

[Duc]

Maybe the ABS on a Toyota isn't designed for those kinds of speeds, but my BMW and Porsche's are.

At what track do you get up to 150?

Daytona, ran out 5th gear, at about 140 with smaller tires. 100+ on a ABS system engineered for the street, I would not want to try it. Driving on the highway and competition driving are two different driving models. Now a new ABS system, off of a newer application (BMW, Porsche, Audi ETC), maybe. But this is IT! And you were king for a day...

And on that note, add remove the 5yr rule to my list. If someone wants to run it let it be so.

[JoshS]

ABS at 150 scares me, those systems are not designed for those speeds.

At what track do you get up to 150?

[RedMisted]

How about jack pads, limited size, but enough so that the frame is protected.

Very good idea. My car has been jack-assaulted so many times I'm not sure where to put the jack...

[Knestis]

How about jack pads, limited size, but enough so that the frame is protected.

It *just* occurred to me that a jack pad provision would allow me to get those air jacks Cameron has been agitating for...

Schwing!

K

[Spinnetti]

Anybody who knows me will remember my moan about triangulated strut tower braces.

As King, I decree that you may now attach little thingy bars from your stayrod over to your engine cowl....and immediately proceed to go to town with the resulting suspension upgrades!

Ooo.. I forgot that one, the dumb washer bottle thingy, and TOTAL removal of heat and AC... 2nd all of those, and I STILL couldn't hit minimum weight.

[JoshS]

... and I STILL couldn't hit minimum weight.

What car?

[Spinnetti]

What car?

1985 Toyota Corolla GT-S. I was at minimum weight at 28yrs old, but at 44, I'm over (same car the whole time)

[GKR_17]

What car?

Irish Mike (E46 328) was at 150 or better at Daytona. We got close with a draft. My numbers say the Supra could be near 160...

I'd plug the ABS in in a heartbeat if allowed, even on a 20 year old system.

[shwah]

I've driven early 90s ABS cars, and current generation Porsche's and everything in between ABS wise on the track and no way no how would I want a 'typical' IT car ABS system to race with. Those early systems will not let you get the most out of a good setup. The Porsche stuff is another story - just awesome. The Z4 is alright, and would probably be helpful, but nothing ever felt right like the P car.

[seckerich]

ITR was the perfect opportunity to be forward thinking about newer technology without effecting current IT cars.

ABS MAY be disconnected would solve the problem you have.

Many of the current IT cars are going to age out just like the foundation cars of Production. The 12A motor is on its death bed already, and many of the most popular IT cars are getting harder to find factory parts for. This thread is a good place to bring out some ideas with some light hearted posts. What I would like to see is some input on a 10 year plan for IT. We say that rules that require removal of items add cost for all because you HAVE to do them, yet newer cars have more and more of these banned items.

More and more drivers are selling other cars to join IT because of cost and the number of opportunities to race on a given weekend. We need to continue to be the most attractive option for new racers and old.

PS. King Kirk is just a little freaky.

[tom_sprecher]

What I would like to see is some input on a 10 year plan for IT...

+1

I don't want to get too OT, but what do you guys think the next wave of popular ITA & S cars will be? Obviously I'm a car guy, but that is just one dimension of many and I really do not keep up with what the car companies produce now, let alone 5 - 10 years ago.

What would make for good candidates in either class?

[ekim952522000]

....This thread is a good place to bring out some ideas with some light hearted posts. What I would like to see is some input on a 10 year plan for IT. We say that rules that require removal of items add cost for all because you HAVE to do them, yet newer cars have more and more of these banned items.

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It is interesting that you bring this up I often find myself looking at the older cars in IT to avoid all of the hassle that getting a newer one causes. As someone who removed the ABS from his car and ran new brake lines this is not something I think the typical new person is going to want to do.

I do think at some point IT is going to need to add the rule that "all unused wiring is allowed to be removed" considering how much "stuff" new cars come with seat heaters, navigation, etc.... I know it would add some cost to a 110% build but as we get people racing newer and newer cars racers are not going to want to have 1800ft of wire rolled up on there floor board.