99 miata or 2nd gen RX7? best ITS solution...

[tnord]

Well, as a Borgward owner I'm now thoroughly confused and pissed off....

if by borgward you mean, miata....you should be.

letters are being written to the ITAC requesting the car be "re-run" through the process (read; throw weight at it) using nothing but conjecture, misrepresentation, and speculation as "evidence." and from what i can tell, despite kirk's words here, the ITAC is buying into it.

[JeffYoung]

Travis, I'm not going to get into any details other than to say I like you, but you are wrong.

We have to consider the letter, and the evidence, and we are -- just like we would with any other car.

[tnord]

Travis, I'm not going to get into any details other than to say I like you, but you are wrong.

We have to consider the letter, and the evidence, and we are -- just like we would with any other car.

it's nothing personal from my side either jeff.......but lets see this "evidence."

[Knestis]

if by borgward you mean, miata....you should be.

letters are being written to the ITAC requesting the car be "re-run" through the process (read; throw weight at it) using nothing but conjecture, misrepresentation, and speculation as "evidence." and from what i can tell, despite kirk's words here, the ITAC is buying into it.

The request is "review the Miata weight." That's ALL we are "buying into," Travis. And the fact that it's being reviewed is absolutely no indication of the credence placed on any particular evidence provided. Pro or con.

Let's be clear: At this time, we will review a weight specification of a listed IT car for absolutely no reason whatsoever, beyond that you've asked. The decision to review is automatic: Any and all evidence has to stand on its own.

K

[lateapex911]

if by borgward you mean, miata....you should be.

letters are being written to the ITAC requesting the car be "re-run" through the process (read; throw weight at it) using nothing but conjecture, misrepresentation, and speculation as "evidence." and from what i can tell, despite kirk's words here, the ITAC is buying into it.

Travis...am I gonna have to come out and slap you around a bit? I hope not, it's long way. Are you ON the ITAC?? Then how can you KNOW what goes on on our con calls or on our board??

Just because we say "All evidence is considered" doesn't mean it all gets weight.

Also, how do you know about the letters we are getting that are

conjecture, misrepresentation and speculation!

?? Have you hacked the system?

The Miata (ITA) is getting looked at, like dozens of cars before it. There are three possible outcomes. It gets lighter, gets heavier, or stays the same...but the reasons behind any of those outcomes aren't clear to anyone yet. Including you!

In answer (sorry for the sidebar...had to be done), to the original question.
I'd go with the Miata.
A- RX-7 is nearing the end of it's prime, partswise, etc.
B-Mazda is a GREAT company to race with.
C- the thing reads your mind...you think, it goes there.
D- My calculations show the power can be had.
E-It will win with a good driver with good racecraft. Gotta be smart though..it's not an easy peasy pass 'em on the straight then block 'em in the corners car.

That said, there are other options in ITS, some as yet unexplored, that show significant promise.

[quadzjr]

I have no plan to run in ITA nor do I own a miata.. however it seems a bit biased that the person that is so concerned that the miata is getting reviewed seems to be a miata racer/building one(As you would expect since it affects you.) However as it has been said by Kirk and Jake the car is under review process. So it's weight can go up, down, or stay the same. Why do you automatically assume that their review will result with the miata gaining weight? The only reason why I would make this assumption is if I did have a advantage and was afraid of losing it. If the car did not have an advantage you could make the assumption that car would loose weight. Which I hope is the case after a year so for the ITB MR2 having a similiar weight to a mustang! This isn't the first time a popular car has been reviewed and it won't be the last. just my 2cents.

-Side note: I am not against the miata in anyway. I personally was looking to build a 96-97 ITA car myself.. I just couldn't afford to do so. So I picked a chassis that has atleast one spares package (My street car )

[tnord]

Why do you automatically assume that their review will result with the miata gaining weight? The only reason why I would make this assumption is if I did have a advantage and was afraid of losing it. If the car did not have an advantage you could make the assumption that car would loose weight.

....busy at work right now....but suffice it to say that i've had conversations beyond this thread with jake and kirk. i'd also like to reiterate that this is absolutely nothing personal, i think they're both great members of the ITAC, this miata thing is just a little trickier than usual.

[ulfelder]

Naturally, we've been pondering this at Flatout. I've run an ITS RX-7 for 8 years, but I was planning to build an ITS Miata for this season until one-third of all the money in the universe vanished late last year .

(My new plan is so top secret I have an arsenic pill under my tongue right now, as I've been instructed to commit suicide rather than divulge it. Mwahahahaha.)

Second-gen RX-7s are today where 240Zs were when I began racing: they're all-time-great cars, people know how to make 'em go fast, and the good ones can win races - but they're old, with all the challenges that entails.

Steve Ulfelder
Flatout Motorsports
05 ITS

[Ron Earp]

and the good ones can win races - but they're old, with all the challenges that entails.

Dang, I wonder where that leaves us Z guys these days?

[ulfelder]

Dang, I wonder where that leaves us Z guys these days?

Double-dipping in ITS and Vintage!

Steve