Assume that the minimum weights are the same for the purposes of this discussion. Since we're talking about figuring out how to consider torque (or if we should), don't presume that given whatever the final process might be, the result would be that they are different.

We have WAY too many of these conversations that get all tangled up because we're all talking about different things. All I want to understand from this is how people understand this torque thing, and generally how (or if) we should tackle it.

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