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    Wow, thanks for all the responses!

    I have a friend (he's on here somewhere) that bought an ITC Civic last year to get his license and I went to the school (at Nelson) and most of his races to help him out. I'm really glad I did because I at least have a bit of a clue of what to expect. I'd like to do the school at Nelson because it's a lot closer and I've at least been there before, but we have a race (rally) in NY that same weekend, so Blackhawk it is. I've heard good things about Blackhawk and if I can keep the wheels on the car it'd be great to run the regional after the school. That's a lot of seat time over a couple of days and would make the tow worth it.

    Good idea on finding a track day before the school. I guess that means I really need to get to work on the car to get it ready.

    gran racing: point taken on keeping the wife interested. I'm fortunate that she already enjoys going to the races and she's fully behind my desire to do this. However this is, as they say, where the rubber meets the road, so I want to make sure to make it as enjoyable for her as possible. Also, I've heard about your book elsewhere and it gets rave reviews so I'll probably be picking up a copy soon.

    JLawton: you're right, I need to get on the paperwork and get the physical scheduled now.

    R2 Racing, dhardison: Good to know there are others with our affliction close by. My friend Jim, with the Civic, lives in Dayton so it's good to know others closer by. When it comes to the garage I've always gone by the mantra "the more the merrier."

    So a few more questions: what all would be in a good spares package? Fortunately Jeff sent me off with a good deal of stuff with the car and I'm still sorting through it all to see what I have. Rally has kinda skewed my spares perception though as we carry nearly one of everything with us, but I don't know that that's necessary in road racing. What would you consider essential?

    Also, I'm trying to separate my needs/wants when it comes to the car as I don't want to blow a bunch of money (funny, huh). I know I need to put a camera in the car so that I can learn as much from my track time as possible, (ie., see where my hands are, where I'm looking, etc). Is a system that can overlay telemetry onto the video worth my money at this point, because that's not cheap. Whereas I could just mount my point and shoot digi and record video for free.

    Thanks again, and keep the advice flowing!

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    in lieu of a track day, get that car to an autocross.

    it is cheap.
    it is likely closer.
    you will learn the basics of car control for that particular car.
    you will get some idea of where to set tire pressure, etc.
    if it is about to break, you will break it.

    autocross may be the worst deal on a $ per minute on track but don't dismiss it from a learning viewpoint. you will enough going on with situational awareness on track to be learning car control near the limit as well.

    when is the driver's school? post up that you are looking for crew/help here or on http://www.roadraceautox.com/ and you should be able to find some if your rally friend can't help out.

    and save 7/31-8/2 or so for Mid-Ohio and the IT Spectacular!
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    When it comes to spares I've found that you'll need what you didn't bring and won't need what you did bring - . So I bring only the spares/parts that I know I can change between sessions or at worst overnight. If I'm racing at say Mid-O which is only a stones throw from my house I bring somewhat less.

    I race a Ford so that generally necessitates more spares than say, a Honda , but here's what I generally bring:

    1 set of wets
    1-2 sets of dries (in case of flat-spot, puncture, etc)
    Front knuckles with new bearings/hubs/studs - complete, ready to install
    Front rotors
    Front pads
    Front Struts/springs/sways
    Front calipers (loaded)
    Pair of CV axles
    Rear hubs/bearings - complete, ready to install
    Rear spindles
    Rear drums
    Rear shoes
    Rear shocks/springs/sways
    Tie rods
    Spare serpentine belt/timing belt
    Spare belt tensioners
    Misc hoses/clamps/tubing/tie wraps/duct tape/JB weld/bolts/nuts/screws
    Necessary hand tools/drill/bits
    Necessary wrenches/ratchets/torque wrenches/sockets
    Necessary jack/jackstands
    Necessary fluids/sealants/fuel
    Small generator/drop-light/extension cords
    Battery charger

    Probably more that I can't remember........

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    Just for the record I don’t think Nelson Ledges is unsafe and I hate to see new people getting that idea. It may ‘feel’ unsafe (fun) and look unsafe (ratty) but don’t let that fool you. They also put on a great driver’s school.

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    Ditto everything that has been said. Double ditto on Dave's book. I have been involved in SCCA since 1966 and still the book was well worth it.

    When you talk to Jim, tell him I said hello. He was one of my students at a PDX at Mid-Ohio where he caught the bug.

    BTW, where are you located in Columbus? I am in Grove City and would be glad to give you a hand.

    As an aside, most of the folks who post here, list at least their first name, so we don't keep calling each other 'Hey, you!'

    Good Luck. Have fun, Be Safe!
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    dhardison: I see you drive a Focus, we race a Rally Spec Focus. That's a lot of spares, I'm still digging through everything I brought home but so far I know I have: 2 spare carbs, alternator (weighs a ton for its diminutive size), distributor with cap and wires, timing belt, spare door mirrors, gauge cluster, and numerous brackets and misc items that I haven't figured out yet. Plus two doors (one with glass), hood, front bumper cover, two valve covers, head, bottom end, and tranny. Also, 5 Hankooks unmounted, 2 Yokos mounted, 10 Kumos mounted (4 full depth, rest shaved), and 4 spare (albeit, a bit banged up) wheels.

    AjG: I've been up to Nelson twice now, once as a passenger during a track day and while quaint, it didn't seem unsafe. I thought it was pretty bumpy though. I've heard for some track bike guys that it use to be a lot worse.

    RacerBill: Jim's a good guy, he let me borrow his trailer to go pick up the car this weekend. I'm located downtown in German Village.

    Oh yeah, my name is Ryan.
    Nice to meet you all!
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    Quote Originally Posted by boywonder View Post
    dhardison: I see you drive a Focus, we race a Rally Spec Focus.
    Ryan, Is your Rally Focus friend "Andrew" by chance? I know a guy in Cols named Andrew that races a Rally Spec Focus as well.

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    Yup, that'd be him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boywonder View Post
    Yup, that'd be him.
    Cool. He's interested in a trans case I have, but we've so far been unable to get our schedules to work out. Next time you see/talk to him, tell him to come get this trans out of my garage. I need the floor space!

    He has a nice Rally Focus. I watched the build via his posts on FocalJet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dhardison View Post
    Cool. He's interested in a trans case I have, but we've so far been unable to get our schedules to work out. Next time you see/talk to him, tell him to come get this trans out of my garage. I need the floor space!

    He has a nice Rally Focus. I watched the build via his posts on FocalJet.

    Dan
    Just sent him an email. We could really use that case so I'll stay on him about that. Though I don't know that he has room for anything else in his garage either.

    The car is a really nice build and Andrew is a great and incredibly knowledgeable guy. Now if we could just get the rally suspension sorted out we'd be good to go.
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    Awe, thanks guys.

    So I bring only the spares/parts that I know I can change between sessions or at worst overnight.
    I really like the concept of this idea, but thought about it a bit more couldn't figure out what that would mean I'd leave home. LOL Ryan, if you can't tell IT is really a great racing community where you'll get a TON of help from people. Engine changes, tranny changes, you name it - people are crazy (nice?) enough to help one another at the track to get it all done. Take Kevin and Chris up on their offers to get you on the right direction.

    Oooh, bring that spare bumper with you with some vinyl "Rubbin' is Racing!" on it to the school. Maybe bring the doors and hood too and have it all laid out ready to go?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gran racing View Post
    Oooh, bring that spare bumper with you with some vinyl "Rubbin' is Racing!" on it to the school. Maybe bring the doors and hood too and have it all laid out ready to go?
    It's funny, I always said that while watching everyone else race, or while racing the fun center go-karts, but now that it's my own car, my own money, and the fact that the entire front of my car is made from plastic that's nearly as old as me...:eek:
    I'll be giving everyone a wide bearth.
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