Honda B Series Challenge?

[Knestis]

My answer here is the same as other places where this came up - there's nothing at all preventing a region from doing something like this, which is good because it's inconceivable to me that it has nationwide potential.

K

[lateapex911]

Yea, it's a regional issue.

But, regarding moving the Vtech Del Sol to ITA, if the curb weight is 2300, is there any way in hell it could be under 2500 race weight??

[jimmyc]

The del sol nor the 99-00 civic SI are EVER going to get to the 2430lbs mark.

For Honda Challenge, which is much more liberal about things that may be removed, the del sol sits at about 2420lbs with a B series in it.

The 99-00 civic SI could get alittle closer but not much. Can get to around 2400lbs in Honda Challenge.

But you have to add the factory door bars back in, the heater core, and much more. The Factory door bars on the 99-00 civic SI are about 8.5lbs each, and there are 4 for them total...

THe b16a just doesn't fit well into the IT category, it is a tweener.

[GKR_17]

Follow the SM example. Get a bunch together regionally. If it takes off then they'll pick it up nationally. I wouldn't hold my breath, but then again I thought SM was silly when I first saw it also.

[Bob Roth]

I am here to have fun. Trying to develop a 160 hp 1.6 VTEC engine with rules that say has the same potential of a 2.3 liter non VTEC Prelude motor is a bummer.

If there is hesitence in equalizing VTEC and non VTEC motors, this is plan B. Sure I wouldn't mind being in ITA, but not if the ITA Integra is 2620 and I am carrying 200 pounds balast at 2750. My car is 2350 empty.

Frankly, a spec Honda B series within IT might be a hoot. It ought to be straightforward to equalize 1.6 and 1.8 VTEC cars. All these cars have the same suspensions and near the same brakes. And frankly as any honda brake seems to fit on any upright, they could have the same brakes for almost nothing.

Nasa has honda challenge, Miatas have spec Miata, there are probably 100,000 B Series Honda VTEC cars on the street so why not? All I did was ask the question, maybe some Honda tuners will take the idea and run with it.....

Ps, as soon as you race with a B Series VTEC that turns 8000 rpm all day without blowing up, you won't want to go back. It is a prod motor!!!

[lateapex911]

Bob, you have suggested repeatedly that there are sooo many cars/racers out there.

But, if EVERY NASA HC guy that fit this mold came and raced, how many cars would you have??

[Xian]

To my knowledge there's only one HC class that fits the "B Series Challenge" mold... H3. Mind you this is one of the less subscribed classes with most folks running in H4 (think "ITA") and H1/H2 (full tilt engine swaps and limited pre engine swaps respectively).

[Knestis]

I am here to have fun. Trying to develop a 160 hp 1.6 VTEC engine with rules that say has the same potential of a 2.3 liter non VTEC Prelude motor is a bummer. ...

This got me thinking about a first principle that I don't think came up in our conversations about power, etc. Remember that the ITAC has to classify and specify (weight) cars based on the assumption that *somebody* is going to go crazy and do a whole-hog build...

Just a thought.

K