Factual Regional car counts/Factual Regional National combined car counts to establish 24 HYPOTHETICAL Runofffs classes

[ddewhurst]

Regional only car counts through May 2007


1060 SM
617 SRF
535 ITA
355 ITS
279 FV
268 ITB
197 ITE
189 VINTAGE
177 SSM
172 SRX7
155 ITC
141 EP + 243 National entries Jan-May = 384 total entries
141 FF
126 FC
123 SMT
121 IT7
111 FM
110 PRO-7
103 SPO
102 GT1
96 AS
83 F5
78 FA
77 SP
74 FP + 169 = 243
68 CF
60 DSR
60 S944
56 GT2
53 FE
52 ITR
50 SPU
48 GTL
47 GP + 75 = 122
46 CSR
45 GTA
44 FE
41 T1
39 GT3
39 SSB
39 SSC
38 S2
38 T2
36 CFC
35 T3
32 FST
25 CFF
23 ITX
21 NCF
20 CC
19 GTP
18 RS
15 BP
13 PCA2
12 PCA1
9 FSR
9 PCA3
9 ST
9 FB
6 ASR
6 ITM
5 DP
5 SPM
4 SRS
3 ITT
3 SF
2 BG
2 CP1
2 HC
2 SG-2
1 ITU
0 HP + 112 = 112

* corrected HP total

Regional with National car counts combined showing the top 24 classes for the Runoffs if it were so.


SM 2031
SRF 1407
FV 610
ITA 535
EP 384
FF 355
ITS 355
FA 339
FC 303
FM 293
GT1 280
ITB 268
DSR 265
FP 243
FE 241
AS 225
ITE 197
F5 196
CSR 195
GT2 193
SSB 189
VINTAGE 189
T3 178
SSM 177
----------------- 24th class
GT3 172
SRX7 172
T2 172
GTL 163
T1 162
SSC 160
ITC 155
S2 152
HP 140-ish (est.)
SMT 123
GP 122
IT7 121
PRO-7 110
SPO 103
SP 77
CF 68
S944 60
ITR 52
SPU 50
GTA 45
CFC 36
FST 32
CFF 25
DP 23
ITX 23
ST 23
FB 21
NCF 21
CC 20
GTP 19
RS 18
BP 15
PCA2 13
PCA1 12
FSR 9
PCA3 9
ASR 6
ITM 6
SPM 5
SRS 4
ITT 3
SF 3
BG 2
CP1 2
HC 2
SG-2 2
ITU 1


Information provided on the Production site by Stan Clayton.

[gran racing]

Very interesting! Now I'm curious to hear what the discussion is like on the prod site. What is that site?

[lateapex911]

SM 2031
SRF 1407
FV 610
ITA 535
EP 384
FF 355
ITS 355
FA 339
FC 303
FM 293
GT1 280
ITB 268
DSR 265
FP 243
FE 241
AS 225
ITE 197
F5 196
CSR 195
GT2 193
SSB 189
VINTAGE 189
T3 178
SSM 177
----------------- 24th class
GT3 172
SRX7 172
T2 172
---------------------24th national class
GTL 163
T1 162
SSC 160
ITC 155
S2 152
HP 140-ish (est.)
SMT 123

I red letttered the classes that aren't nationally recognized. These classes have no rules consistency across the nation, so, by that count, the top 24 stops at the blue line

[Eagle7]

I red letttered the classes that aren't nationally recognized. [/b]

What about ITE? Shouldn't it be red?

[JoshS]

Unless I misunderstand how the numbers are calculated ... there have been many more races where national classes are eligible than regional classes (since national classes are available at most regional races, but not vice-versa).

It would be more interesting to rank these in terms of cars/race (where the denominator for any given class is the number of races where that class was offered.) This should move the regional-only classes up a good ways.

[lateapex911]

Both good points.

The thread adress is:
http://prodracing.com/prodcar/viewtopic.ph...der=asc&start=0

Josh is correct, the actual participation numbers used to decide things like Runoffs attendance are average based. For example, a class must maintain a 2.5 car average to remain a National class. (with some other provisions)

[charrbq]

What will be interesting is to see if the National office stands by their commitment to only have 24 classes racing for a national championship or if they will waffle and sumbit to outside influences.

If they do stick to their guns (doubtful), then the future will be interesting as all those owners, drivers, and car prep guys who are no longer eligible for a national championship, are punted into the regional ranks with IT. I know more than a few national drivers that will scream like Marie Antionette with a cake in her mouth and a blade on her neck. <_<

[JoshS]

Does anyone know how many regional races and how many national races fall into the tally that was posted on the Prod site? I&#39;d ask over there but don&#39;t have an account.

I&#39;ll do the quick math about averages with that answer. It won&#39;t really be right due to the existence of restricted regionals, and it can only take into account nationally-defined classes, but it&#39;ll be an interesting approximation nonetheless.

[ddewhurst]

Josh, I didn&#39;t do a good job of transfering info but these are the National totals through May 2007. The last number on the right is the total car count for each class.

NORTHEAST SOUTHEAST CENTRAL
GREAT
LAKES MIDWEST SOUTHWEST
ROCKY
MOUNTAIN NORPAC SOPAC
3 Race 6 Races 2 Races 2 Race 5 Races 7 Races 4 Races 5 Races 8 Races
SM 65 158 27 30 79 266 101 78 167 971
SRF 64 218 40 37 32 148 48 90 113 790
FV 33 40 27 7 29 78 24 50 43 331
FA 16 55 13 6 15 43 37 22 54 261
EP 17 49 18 6 29 51 26 18 29 243
FF 10 49 18 6 19 52 11 32 17 214
DSR 10 54 10 3 7 24 20 41 36 205
FM 3 35 11 19 11 28 17 31 27 182
GT-1 16 54 16 6 17 16 14 16 23 178
FC 10 44 22 6 16 34 21 4 20 177
FP 14 44 11 9 18 37 23 7 6 169
SSB 17 30 8 8 3 22 13 18 31 150
CSR 7 28 9 3 4 25 15 17 41 149
FE 7 45 8 2 2 63 6 8 3 144
T-3 9 17 1 3 13 39 10 17 34 143
GT-2 18 27 5 3 6 34 4 23 17 137
T-2 10 21 8 4 9 21 6 22 33 134
GT-3 4 19 6 6 4 15 7 29 43 133
AS 20 31 9 13 26 12 2 6 10 129
SSC 14 30 2 1 8 28 7 6 25 121
T-1 23 32 11 11 15 5 4 8 12 121
GTL 19 25 3 3 16 7 8 14 20 115
S2 8 11 10 5 5 6 13 19 37 114
F5 10 27 15 7 17 12 8 11 6 113
HP 11 23 11 5 21 10 11 13 7 112
GP 9 24 9 5 4 6 8 2 8 75
BP 1 8 4 2 0 3 0 0 2 20
DP 1 3 0 2 2 5 2 3 0 18
ST 0 1 0 0 0 0 4 9 0 14
FB 1 5 0 0 0 0 3 3 0 12
DIVISION
TOTALS 447 1207 332 218 427 1090 473 617 864 5675
* Note: Participation as of 5/27/2007
DIVISION
2007 NATIONAL PARTICIPATION TOTALS
Information is updated monthly throughout the racing season
CLASS
TOTAL
NATIONAL
CLASS

[Marcus Miller]

SMT is the SFR &#39;SM&#39; class; T stands for spec Toyo, or spec tire

It should be included in SM counts, withe any true SFR &#39;SM&#39; car removed (no tire rule)



Marcus

[Z3_GoCar]

ITE should be split at the 3 liter mark, then BP, DP, and RS could then be added in. Also, all the tube-frame BP cars should go to GT. Tub-chassis cars should be in IT(O/U), not tube frame look-a-likes. I take it some regions split ITE and others, like So-Pac and Nor-Pac, don&#39;t.

[Knestis]

As Marty alludes to, ITE can&#39;t really be included since while the name may be the same in different regions, the rules vary. It&#39;s not appropriate to count all of those cars as being in the same class.

K

[Z3_GoCar]

I know that ITE is all over the map as far as rules go. The fact remains that the numbers given in the Prod-car thread are for elimination of national/regional distinction, then all classes become run-off eligeble. In essence ITE will be eliminated as it now stands, in its place will be something else. I figure that BP and DP will absorb the ITE cars with a certain amount of rules change and/or vehicle change.

James