One other little piddly thing for the weenie protest list: SMs can de-power the steering rack; unless I've missed a change, that's not allowed in IT.
Jarrod
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Oh, so you misread, made an ass of yourself, and it's my fault?
First, "National SM" is a commonly-used term to differentiate SM from other regional forms for Miatas, such as SSM and SMT (Spec Miata Tire). I'm amazed you're unaware of it.
Second, why the hell would I give an F about National racing specifics in the context of discussing a regional-only class? Doesn't it make more sense to read the rules thoroughly and be concerned with the points at hand?
Third, why would you stop reading at the word National, given the word "Regional" is right below it and far more applicable to the discussion at hand?
Finally, don't be condescending and try to tell me (or infer to others) what's below me; trust me, I can go WAAAAAAY much lower. Keep trying.
This is indefensible.
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The members or biggest contributors?
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yes it is, at least for the 94-97 it is because there were models that came with manual steering from the factory. Since they are all on the same spec line they are allowed thru update/backdate. To be legal you have to do a full manual rack swap, not just loop the lines and yank the pump out.
i don't know enought about the 90-93 (did they even come with power steering?) or the 99+ to comment on those.
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Not quite. In IT you are not allowed to "de-power" the rack. You have to go to the manual rack.
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To be legal you have to do a full manual rack swap, not just loop the lines and yank the pump out.
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Jeff,The point is this. IT has a rulest. If you want to run your SM in IT, you can but you have to follow the IT ruleset. It is really that simple. This really shouldn't be a debate. [/b]
Andy, I see no downside to this and think the idea of giving IT guys a taste of national racing is a good one (and will cause most of them to come running back to regionals!).[/b]
Actually there are good reasons for going in this direction no matter if you are in a "strong regional program" region or in a weak one (like ours.)
Come on guys.... it is another group to get some racing in. We may not have a chance in hell to win, but by having the chance to compete it will make me that much better in the IT race. I can get the extra practice + a longer race + I have a reason to go for an entire weekend.
I don't see it as taking anything away from IT (regional racing.)[/b]
It sort of comes across as being favortism (even if Mazda iteslf could care less about the SM / IT relationship.)[/b]
I suppose a lot of this depends upon the goals of the club and how IT fits into that.[/b]
Yes, in a manner of speaking. Greg simply walked away realizing that "the club" is going to do whatever the hell it wants to, regardless of the long-term effects of the actions or the desires of the majority of the "members" of the club, all to curry the favor of a select self-serving group of people.On a side note, Greg has obviously walked away realizing our banter wasn't productive.[/b]
Bookmark this spot...and talk to me in a couple of years. - GA
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So here is where I get lost. You support extra places for IT cars to run under IT rules in Production, but you don't support SM cars in IT under SM rules. Can you have it both ways?[/b]
If you are against this from a fundamental and 'intermingling' standpoint, then you can't be for it when IT gets the benefit and not for it when some other class gets the benefit.[/b]
Beautiful:
Numero Uno: Making significant rules changes out of scope of regulations, without timely membership notification or opportunity for membership feedback, and distributing them as "technical bulletins". You've opened this door and it'll never close. Processes? We don't need no steenkin' process!
Numero Dos: Creating a sub ruleset of prep applicable to only specific cars, a la Production. Why create category specs if we're going to adjust them as we see fit for particular makes and models? Rules? We don't need no steenkin' rules!
Numero Tres: Dual-classification of specific vehicles dependent on prep. "We" opened that door with the BMW, SWEARING it was a one-time thing, and now the door creeps yet wider. Even worse, this time we're not even leaning on standard rules prep for guidance...Consistency? We don't need no steenkin' consistency!
Thought it was tough writing a protest a couple of weeks ago for a car built to consistent, reasonably steady prep rules? Hah! Good luck on the next one...assuming anyone chooses to wade this quagmire to make it happen.
You - as in the rulesmakers that made this change happen, e.g., the ITAC and CRB - have opened a Pandora's box that you can NEVER close. Ever. Even worse, you're doing it with a "we know best" attitude in dark secret rooms, revealing it to the world in a brilliant, and non-reversible, flourish.
Congrats. You should be proud. [/b]
Tough to quantify the effects of your bullets as IT was arguably as strong or stronger than it ever ha[d] been...[/b]
Yes, in a manner of speaking. Greg simply walked away realizing that "the club" is going to do whatever the hell it wants to, regardless of the long-term effects of the actions or the desires of the majority of the "members" of the club, all to curry the favor of a select self-serving group of people.
And no matter how much you try to reason to the contrary, there's always going to be some bonehead trying to defend it, so why bother?
Seems not much has changed in a half a century, 'cept most of the names...hey, at least we should be happy that this time they gave us 10 days' notice...
Bookmark this spot...and talk to me in a couple of years. - GA
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It could be any make or model that brings 30+ cars to the table every weekend. ...[/b]
Corrected that for you. It's simply a matter of time before people get tired of tripping over Miatas and choose to spend their money elsewhere, just as many Miatas are currently looking to run places besides with other Miatas (like ITS and ITA...if that's not telling, nothing is...)
Enjoy it while you can.
(That ITB Geo Storm is lookin' mighty interesting right about now...) [/b]
Kinda funny......... I asked a year and a half ago to move the 99 miata to A and was told I would not have a snowballs chance in hell,,,, actually i was told I would have a better chance of getting the 944 to A than I would the 99+ cars...... Full circle [/b]