How does a dynopac compare to a mustang or dynojet? These are the only 2 dyno's I can relate too.
Now convert the dynopacks to dynojets so you can really shock the establishment.
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How does a dynopac compare to a mustang or dynojet? These are the only 2 dyno's I can relate too.
Now convert the dynopacks to dynojets so you can really shock the establishment.
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Where was this on the thread? Or are you primarily talking about PMs you've received? I'd like to know before I goto the dyno and post my numbers, especially since I'm also using Kessler Engineering for my engine. Wahoo!If nothing else, the last twelve hours on just this specific thread (not to mention private email) has probably created more disincentive for scores of people towards being open and honest about their horsepower numbers than anything else.[/b]
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Those numbers are good, but are people seriously talking about moving that car out of A???
Clearly an A car. I've heard of 240SX numbers close to those, and the Integras aren't too far off, plus the Integra and CRX are much better suspension designs right?
It's not all about hp and tq
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I hope not. A 2L FWD'er is an A car.Those numbers are good, but are people seriously talking about moving that car out of A???
Clearly an A car. I've heard of 240SX numbers close to those, and the Integras aren't too far off, plus the Integra and CRX are much better suspension designs right?
It's not all about hp and tq
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Hmmm... at least 185 HP at the crank...., a 32% gain over Nissan's claim. Now if I could get my 105HP ITB VW up to 138HP
Really? Where do I put paperwork in to make the GSR ITA? Heck I only have 1.8L and I am make less power than Greg
I hope not. A 2L FWD'er is an A car.
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Greg's numbers are ~5hp and ~13lb-ft (at the wheel, of course) higher than what a real damn good Integra would do on a DynaPack. Combine that with the Integra being 80lbs heavier, and it makes you really have to drive the wheels off of it in the corners and utilize that better suspension. Certain tracks with show the strengths of each.I've heard of 240SX numbers close to those, and the Integras aren't too far off, plus the Integra and CRX are much better suspension designs right?[/b]
What's a real good whp number from a CRX on a DynaPack? ~128whp sound about right?
CRX = 17.72lbs/whp - fantastic, insane handleing
Integra = 17.42lbs/whp - pretty damn good handleing
NX = 16.33lbs/whp. - "another damn corner?!" handleing
The handleing helps even them out a bit. I can't speak for the 240's or the Miata's though since I don't know anything about them.
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"and I am make less power than Greg" on an unbuilt engine. LOL
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The best HP numbers I have heard are 185HP for a GSR motor on a DynoJet. This is about the max. My stock motor on a Dynojet is about 165 HP."and I am make less power than Greg" on an unbuilt engine. LOL [/b]
If I reference this post the DynoJet over estimate by 13% or the DynaJet is .87 of a DynoJet's data. If my math is right at 185HP *.87 = 160HP I am also 80 lbs heavier!!
So the way I see it the GSR belongs in ITA!
LOL
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Jeremy Billiel
Good catch! Add...with 140 stock hp.
Really? Where do I put paperwork in to make the GSR ITA? Heck I only have 1.8L and I am make less power than Greg [/b]
Miata 1.8 = 17.63lbs/whp - fantastic, insane handling (using 135 wheel dynojets)
CRX = 17.72lbs/whp - fantastic, insane handleing
Integra = 17.42lbs/whp - pretty damn good handleing
NX = 16.33lbs/whp. - "another damn corner?!" handleing
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And place the CRX and the Miata in the same subcategory of 'less than desirable torque numbers'
Andy, and what is the math for the torqeless live axel Rx7.
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At 125whp = 18.24Andy, and what is the math for the torqeless live axel Rx7. [/b]
At 130whp = 17.54
LOL...but the RX-7 KILLS all in the torque department! 106 or so WHOPPING footpounds! WhooHoo!
Ok, anyway, Gregs numbers are pretty darn close to process. The issue some have is the dyno used. I know that Jets are reputed to give better numbers than Paks, but I've backed to backed them and gotten the same numbers. So my jury is out.
And, I think that we've got other issues here....granularity, not to mention this is ONE report from ONE dyno on ONE car. Not exactly a trend here...
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Greg's numbers are ~5hp and ~13lb-ft (at the wheel, of course) higher than what a real damn good Integra would do on a DynaPack. Combine that with the Integra being 80lbs heavier, and it makes you really have to drive the wheels off of it in the corners and utilize that better suspension. Certain tracks with show the strengths of each.
What's a real good whp number from a CRX on a DynaPack? ~128whp sound about right?
CRX = 17.72lbs/whp - fantastic, insane handleing
Integra = 17.42lbs/whp - pretty damn good handleing
NX = 16.33lbs/whp. - "another damn corner?!" handleing
The handleing helps even them out a bit. I can't speak for the 240's or the Miata's though since I don't know anything about them. [/b]
Looks like the NX needs some weight or the others need a weight break?
you also cannot judge how fast a car is by peak numbers alone. break out your calculus folks, area under the curve is what makes something fly/not fly
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Trust me when I tell you this - the strength of this motor is NOT the HP.you also cannot judge how fast a car is by peak numbers alone. break out your calculus folks, area under the curve is what makes something fly/not fly [/b]
well enlighten us then...
Ken Brewer
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1994 Toyota MR2 - ex-SSB car -> NASA PTE/SCCA ITA
you also cannot judge how fast a car is by peak numbers alone. break out your calculus folks, area under the curve is what makes something fly/not fly
[/b]Big, huge, heaping gobs of torque from about 0 to infinity.Trust me when I tell you this - the strength of this motor is NOT the HP.
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Kevin
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Jeremy I know of a GSR ITS motor making more horsepower than what you state..... it's sitting safe and warm with no car around it though...The best HP numbers I have heard are 185HP for a GSR motor on a DynoJet. This is about the max. My stock motor on a Dynojet is about 165 HP.
If I reference this post the DynoJet over estimate by 13% or the DynaJet is .87 of a DynoJet's data. If my math is right at 185HP *.87 = 160HP I am also 80 lbs heavier!!
So the way I see it the GSR belongs in ITA!
LOL
http://itforum.improvedtouring.com/forums/...c=10451&hl=dyno
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Big, huge, heaping gobs of torque from about 0 to infinity. [/b]
As an example, if all the cars were 16:1 hp/wt wouldn't work, due to the torque differences.
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