Change C to A
Leave B
Change A to C
Change S to D
Make the new Class E
Change the current catch all from E to X or Z or what ever
Then you could add:
F for retitred T3 cars
and G for T2
and H for T1
or what ever fancy strikes in years to come.
Change C to A
Leave B
Change A to C
Change S to D
Make the new Class E
Change the current catch all from E to X or Z or what ever
Then you could add:
F for retitred T3 cars
and G for T2
and H for T1
or what ever fancy strikes in years to come.
Jerry
Lone Star Regional Executive
Lone Star Tech Chief.
I'm with Bill.I like a full re-numbering or lettering. Call that one ITA, ITS=ITB, ITA=ITC, etc or IT1, IT2, IT3, etc.
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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com
It makes sense, but it's another hurdle to get over with the big bosses.
Of course, with T1, T2, T3, and GT1, GT2, etc, it does match the existing framework. Too bad we're expanding faster, so our faster class would be IT5...
Unless we name it IT1, and any future faster class is IT.5,....
Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
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Jake-
I don't agree with re-naming all the classes as that will be another hurdle, many issues...
While inexpensive for most re-lettering cars will get some complaints, Track records could be an issue, and while not the intent many people will probably view the re-naming as a major "regrouping" of the class wich I am sure will bring up even more issues. The list could go on and on, so my suggestion is to stick with ITR or some other "new" class name.
If you were going to re-name the classes personaly think that we should follow the production classing. EX: equivelant GP cars would be in ITG (in IT trim). I say this only because the next logical step for most it cars is production, however like I said before we should keep IT seperate and where it is now.
Raymond "Do we ever expect a class in the next 10 years above ITR? I doubt it so lets keep this as easy as possible" Blethen
RST Performance Racing
www.rstperformance.com
I agree w/ the people that don't want to rename the classes. I think that's just one more thing for someone to grab onto as a reason to shoot this down.
You'd be amazed how people will latch onto something, if only to use it as an excuse to object to an idea...
Adding an ITS class is one thing: Changing the designations is going to be construed by some as "restructuring the category" - a much tougher sell.
K
I agree that we need to keep the naming of the new class separate from any perceived restructuring of the existing classes by renaming them. However, looking forward a few years, what would we name a class that is faster than ITR - ITQ?. I can see the IT classes becomming a hodgepodge of letters. (ITS, ITA, ITB, ITC, ITE, ITT...)
Let's look a little farther forward. Is this going to be the only 'new' IT class, or are there potentially one or more classes that might be created when it comes time to absorb more Touring cars into IT? Do presently classed Touring 1, Touring 2 or Touring 3 easily map into IT classes with the creation of one new IT class? If the answer is yes, then ITR is probably as good a choice as any. If there is a good probability of more classes, then IT1 might be the answer for the potentially fastest class, with IT2 being an option for later down the road. Then changing the existing IT classes is something that does not have to be done at this time, and if it were to be implemented, the proper thought process could be used.
Just my thougth. I can really live with whatever the group decides ( I'm easy, but who said IT racing was cheap!).
Bill Stevens - Mbr # 103106
BnS Racing www.bnsracing.net
92 ITA Saturn
83 ITB Shelby Dodge Charger
Sponsors - Race-Keeper Data/Video Aquisition Systems www.race-keeper.com
Simpson Performance Products - simpsonraceproducts.com
I'd say IT$ but I'm not sure how to pronounce it.
Bill Denton
02 Audi TT225QC
95 Tahoe
Memphis
Bill... that's PERFECT! Exactly what I was thinking...I'd say IT$ but I'm not sure how to pronounce it.
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I think I'd pronounce it "IT-Cha-Ching..." :119:
Darin E. Jordan
Renton, WA
Darin,I think I'd pronounce it "IT-Cha-Ching..." :119:
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... I needed a good laugh today......
... Bravo old chap,
... Rick
How about, "The class formerly known as ITR" Then it'll be shortened to The Class, as in The Class to Be InI'd say IT$ but I'm not sure how to pronounce it.
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James
STU BMW Z3 2.5liter
How about ITX... as in we "X"-cluded everyone else from seeing the discussion...
Sorry, it's just rubbing me wrong today...
"Most people have the will to win, few have the will to prepare to win.” - Bobby Knight
Bill
Planet 6 Racing
I don't buy it. That's silly. It's just a name.Adding an ITS class is one thing: Changing the designations is going to be construed by some as "restructuring the category" - a much tougher sell.
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OK, how about ITM (for money)?
Or ITF (for fast)? :P
Or ITO (for OH MY, that's a lot of money)?
I think worrying about naming is silly. Who really cares what it's called? Just make the sequence make sense.
George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com
I though we all just like the pirate sounds we make when we speak the class. IT arrrrr!
--
James Brostek
MARRS #28 ITB Golf
PMF Motorsports
Racing and OEM parts from Bildon Motorsport, Hoosier Tires from Radial Tires
Just ask, Bill and I personally promise to share ANYTHING that we are talking about.How about ITX... as in we "X"-cluded everyone else from seeing the discussion... [/b]
The point - if it helps at all to go over it again - is that it is hard enough coming to consensus with the limited number of heads currently involved, and that is what we are striving for. If everyone in the group is just a little dissatisfied with the result, then we will know we have something that (1) isn't overly representative of one narrow agenda, and (2) has been through the wringer sufficiently that it has a hope of passing muster with the CRB.
K
Me too....Just ask, Bill and I personally promise to share ANYTHING that we are talking about.
K
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and for the record if anyone wants to bend my ear shoot me a PM and I'll send my phone number.
(Well, almost anyone...I'm not wasting my money on certain trolls that frequented the BMW thread, If you've called me a "loser" in any past thread on here or Bimmerforums, count yourself out, LOL..; ) )
Jake Gulick
CarriageHouse Motorsports
for sale: 2003 Audi A4 Quattro, clean, serviced, dark green, auto, sunroof, tan leather with 75K miles.
IT-7 #57 RX-7 race car
Porsche 1973 911E street/fun car
BMW 2003 M3 cab, sun car.
GMC Sierra Tow Vehicle
New England Region
lateapex911(at)gmail(dot)com
Have a new appreciation for what the ITAC goes through?Just ask, Bill and I personally promise to share ANYTHING that we are talking about.
The point - if it helps at all to go over it again - is that it is hard enough coming to consensus with the limited number of heads currently involved, and that is what we are striving for. If everyone in the group is just a little dissatisfied with the result, then we will know we have something that (1) isn't overly representative of one narrow agenda, and (2) has been through the wringer sufficiently that it has a hope of passing muster with the CRB.
K
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George Roffe
Houston, TX
84 944 ITS car under construction
92 ITS Sentra SE-R occasionally borrowed
http://www.nissport.com
I have to admit, I had the same reaction when I first saw the "secret" room. I would think with all the past accusations of back-room deals and super-secret meetings this would be something we would want to keep out in the open.How about ITX... as in we "X"-cluded everyone else from seeing the discussion...
Sorry, it's just rubbing me wrong today... [/b]
Is there no option to make that forum "read only" for those without the password? I have no desire to contribute to the confusion (although I would be more than willing to help in any way I could), but I am very interested in what is conspir... I mean transpiring in there. (<---- note the big smilie face, that was a just a joke guys).
Earl R.
240SX
ITA/ST5
No problem Earl, we who are in there were all concerned about it. At the same time, it did need to be limited to a small group.
Read only works for me -- you'll laugh at the debates. The biggest issues we are having now are with the V8 ponies (legitimate, and "out") and the 928 (a fringe car, but one I have pushed in the face of some opposition). This stuff will probably bore you to tears.
The initial debate over defining the horsepower range I do wish others had the chance to read.
Again, read only sounds good to me. Kirk? Scott? Jake? Dick? George? Andy? Ron? Bill? That ok with you guys?
NC Region
1980 ITS Triumph TR8
Makes me no nevermind, one way or t'other. Except I think there might be some incentive to be more forthright in the small group, than might be the case in a completely public forum.
Like when I told Jake he was being loser.
K
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