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[lateapex911]

I don't even know HOW to say F-o-r-u-m-l-a......

Now, Formula....well THATs different.

Yes I shot Jeff, and Kirk a note explaining the basics and asking for letters to the CRB and their local BoD guys in support of our general direction and work up to date, and/or a vote of confidence on the basics of the proposal.

As I explained it to them, it utilizes the oft referred to "process", and I explained what the process takes into account, as has been explained on these pages numerous times.

Thanks to them for considering, and actually taking the time to draft thoughtful and well written letters of support.

Others have too, but as they haven't indicated their desire to be publicly thanked, I'll just keep their names secret!

I will say again, that if any of you like the idea of a general re-org and have confidence that the direction is appropriate, please send a quick e-mail to the CRB and your Bod guy. You really don't have to say the proposal is the best, nor even that you support the actual items contained with-in. Merely a letter commenting on the general direction is fine. And if you are in disagreement with it, well that should be known too.

Thanks guys, and NO, the idea of Fred calling in and getting a weight break will NOT happen!

That said, history has shown that even the best intentions can go awry. I can forsee instances where factory HP was underquoted, and the "process" relies on accurate data to work. In such a "garbage in-garbage out" case, I would imagine another look at the car would be wise...but thats a case of a clear cut error.

In any event, it is our mantra to make instances like that rare, and once things get settled down, even rarer.

[JRDbuilt]

I am the person who originally posted that on Honda-tech and those are the words i heard from Jeremy due to a question i called him about regarding the weight. If there is someone on here i should talk to please let me know!


thanks
CJ

[lateapex911]

Originally posted by JRDbuilt@Nov 21 2005, 08:09 PM
I am the person who originally posted that on Honda-tech and those are the words i heard from Jeremy due to a question i called him about regarding the weight. If there is someone on here i should talk to please let me know!
thanks
CJ

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Any and all letters concerning IT cars hould be sent to:

[email protected]

In the subject line, list Attn: ITAC, and a subject, like "Please correct race weight on Borgward Special 3.0"

IF you are requesting a change to a car you are driving, and feel it isn't currently competitive, take a deep breath, and be prepared to tell us why. List your efforts, send in dyno sheets, list components used to get to the level of power you have, tires, races, guys who are nationaly known you've run against, their tires that day, the qualifying times and conditions (drafts?) and so on...

In other words, even the most well documented, well developed, open and shut case won't be able to have the credibility needed to warrant a change...on it's own.....rather, it will add to the collective knowledge, and it could be helpful in signaling an issue with that particular car where the process has not worked as it should.

If that is indeed the case the car will be looked at and the facts reconsidered....

But remember, this is NOT Prod, and cars can not be micromanaged to run against each other at Mid Ohio.....

(On edit, IT is a huge category with a lot of spec lines (cars), and mistakes have been made over the years 9since what, '84?)...currently there is a rather large proposal submitted to the boards to fix many of those, but as now of course, they still stand. If the proposal is implemented, it is possible that there could be cars that slipped through and still need attention. In that case, of course, it will receive prompt attention.)

[Knestis]

Thanks for checking in here, CJ. You kind of stepped into a LONG-running - like 5 year - conversation about weight adjustments for IT cars. It hasn't even been possible to consider changing IT weight specs until just recently, and then only after a LOT of hard work to change the process and cultures involved.

The "prod" referred to above is the Production category. It is an entirely different ball of wax - mostly disfunctional, in my opinion - wherein I can complain about not being competitive in my 1959 Puddlebee and, if I find a favorable ear, I can get different specs for next season. It's a freakin' mess and we are trying hard to avoid IT falling into that same system.

K

[JRDbuilt]

Kirk, that helps clear up some of the confusion i had regarding this matter myself with the protege. I guess if i do come across the right car ill be more than happy to be the geny (sp) pig for this car with weight because im looking at it for seat time and personal development. so racing to win is what ill be shooting for but winning a race might be another story.

Im not sure if this has anything to do with this topic but not being able to sleep last night lead me infront of a calculator and my notebook. and by most of my calculations and just general knowledge with most of the ITA cars and what kind of power they put down yeilds me with a power to weight ratio ( this is my formula and not someone elses ) around the mid 16._ _ . To be able to compete with the weight of the protege you would need roughly 175 hp in the motor to have that same power to weight ratio or you would need 148._ _ _ at the wheels which I do not see happening with making the motor 100% legal for IT. Because you are starting out with a 125hp stock that puts it around 107 stock hp using factory ratings. so going from 107 to 148 at the wheels is 41 wheel horsepower that is needed to be at the competitive weight ratio.

now this probably doesnt mean anything to anyone I just figured I would throw it out there.

hopefully everything will get straightened out.
-CJ

[Z3_GoCar]

Originally posted by JRDbuilt@Nov 21 2005, 07:55 PM
Kirk, that helps clear up some of the confusion i had regarding this matter myself with the protege. I guess if i do come across the right car ill be more than happy to be the geny (sp) pig for this car with weight because im looking at it for seat time and personal development. so racing to win is what ill be shooting for but winning a race might be another story.

Im not sure if this has anything to do with this topic but not being able to sleep last night lead me infront of a calculator and my notebook. and by most of my calculations and just general knowledge with most of the ITA cars and what kind of power they put down yeilds me with a power to weight ratio ( this is my formula and not someone elses ) around the mid 16._ _ . To be able to compete with the weight of the protege you would need roughly 175 hp in the motor to have that same power to weight ratio or you would need 148._ _ _ at the wheels which I do not see happening with making the motor 100% legal for IT. Because you are starting out with a 125hp stock that puts it around 107 stock hp using factory ratings. so going from 107 to 148 at the wheels is 41 wheel horsepower that is needed to be at the competitive weight ratio.

now this probably doesnt mean anything to anyone I just figured I would throw it out there.

hopefully everything will get straightened out.
-CJ

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You're in for a long one if you think you can make a change based on trying to even up the power/weight ratio. You can argue till you're blue in the face, no one makes x for your car, and it won't make a difference because you can always have one custom made for some money. 125hp + a 25% gain= 156hp sounds like you're perfectly classed to me.

James