Your Thoughts on Mandating 200+TW "Street Tires" in Improved Touring?

**Greg Amy** · 05-22-2018, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by kgobey

I think Kirk thinks I'm a dick.

Kirk doesn't think you're a dick. Kirk just disagrees with your logical discussion.

And toward that point...you "want to stay current and I want to learn how to drive on modern racing gear/equipment."

In Improved Touring.

**kgobey** · 05-22-2018, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by Greg Amy

And toward that point...you "want to stay current and I want to learn how to drive on modern racing gear/equipment."

In Improved Touring.

Hahaha I know! I know! and in a 1986 325is - a car I used to lust for when I was 17!!!

**JeffYoung** · 05-22-2018, 12:24 PM

I'm on the ITAC still and in favor of this. 200TW and probably max 8" wheels, any diameter.

I think it will initially be a huge boon to IT. The problem, as always, is competition and popularity. If this works like we think it might, damn right there will be a "who makes the fastests 200TW" war. If IT participation levels don't go up, then it will just mean cheaper tires for those who stay. Regardless, either rway, it helps IT, either with more numbers, or cheaper running costs.

**Conover** · 05-22-2018, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by JeffYoung

I'm on the ITAC still and in favor of this. 200TW and probably max 8" wheels, any diameter.

I think it will initially be a huge boon to IT. The problem, as always, is competition and popularity. If this works like we think it might, damn right there will be a "who makes the fastests 200TW" war. If IT participation levels don't go up, then it will just mean cheaper tires for those who stay. Regardless, either rway, it helps IT, either with more numbers, or cheaper running costs.

Sign me up! :-)

**Greg Amy** · 05-22-2018, 02:02 PM

As noted elsewhere...

Originally Posted by Greg Amy

Originally Posted by Shiftlink

Just make it part of the scrotum cup 2019 rules, must be on skreet tars.

Seems like a lot of kids have the affinity for the Purple Crack and would oppose the change.

So let them continue to run the Purple Crack, and let anyone on 200TW tires drop a class, see if anyone dies.

**Knestis** · 05-23-2018, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by JeffYoung

I'm on the ITAC still and in favor of this. 200TW and probably max 8" wheels, any diameter.

I think it will initially be a huge boon to IT. The problem, as always, is competition and popularity. If this works like we think it might, damn right there will be a "who makes the fastests 200TW" war. If IT participation levels don't go up, then it will just mean cheaper tires for those who stay. Regardless, either rway, it helps IT, either with more numbers, or cheaper running costs.

I had an interesting experienced this past week, shopping for summer tires for my Fit. I saved one set of ex-Pablo Kosei K1s. Now that I'm moving to somewhere closer to civilization (less crappy roads), and partially in memory of our blue buddy, I thought I'd just get something that approximates the same diameter of the OE 16" alloys on (drum roll please) 14" wheels.

Wow. When the tire shop guys got done laughing about the old guy's weird idea, we learned that a couple of the most popular sized tires from when was buying Yokohamas (et al.) for racing are getting close to being NLA. (EDIT - at all. Not looking for DOT race tires.)

Realization? It might be time to completely set free wheel size restrictions in IT. I *think* it was you who proposed a "must fit in this size box" rule instead...? Regardless, that would be a sensible rule change parallel to a shift to ****** *****.

K

**240zdave** · 05-23-2018, 01:27 PM

What about weight penalties for cars on Hoosiers / weight breaks for cars on 200TW? That might satisfy the "I don't want to give up my HoHo's" crowd.

**gran racing** · 05-24-2018, 08:57 AM

I would think determining how much weight would be challenging. And I already began thinking about which tracks I'd sacrifice the weight for better cornering and vice versa.

**JeffGio** · 05-28-2018, 03:41 PM

It'd be great if a single spec tire manufacture could be selected, 100TW included. Doubt it could cover everyone's tire needs, but the potential of a spec pricing package might exist.

I too hear many friends who are primarily lemons guys say they'd like to give SCCA/NASA a try. The rub is that lemons doesn't do car leveling. While there are a small number of teams focused on, and capable of winning, most are there to simply circulate around and party. This is of course great, but doesn't really prepare one for sprint racing, speaking generally. These cars could have very different lap time potential and wouldn't necessarily have a good race amongst themselves.

They could be allowed in under the bracket enduro rule set, and have their own class, with A/B/C sub-classes. Maybe a hybrid Bracket event could include sprint races, with one or two groups. Qualify and sprint races first, followed by a break then a 4 hour enduro. They would qualify and have a standard rolling sprint start.

Is the Bracket enduro experiment working out at all currently?

**dickita15** · 05-28-2018, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by JeffGio

Is the Bracket enduro experiment working out at all currently?

National has cut back on it's support of the Bracket Enduro program. I think Central Florida and Chicago Regions are still doing some. the underlying CRE rule set is still viable and a number of regions are doing those but that is more about have a way to race with easier license standards.

this conversation is more about car prep.

**Conover** · 06-02-2018, 08:39 PM

Anyone writing letters yet? I'm curious about verbiage. I have to admit that I can see the significance of some of the drawbacks of going to 200tw, mainly the hindrance to people crossing into IT.

I would love to be able to buy 6 tires a year and have them still be halfway decent in October. Either way I'm budgeting for 6 tires a year, it's just weather or not I have anything worth a shit to bolt onto the front of my car in October. lol

**Greg Amy** · 06-09-2018, 10:48 AM

From the July 2018 Fastrack Prelim Minutes:

IT General
1. #24710 (Club Racing Board) 200 Treadwear Tires
The CRB is considering requiring Tires with a minimum treadwear rating of 200 for all IT cars. Please provide your feedback through crbscca.com.

And...go.

https://www.crbscca.com/