They're sure saying "no" to a normal sized TIR on the SR20DET!
Houston Region
STU Nissan 240SX
EProd RX7
It's not going to exist until you take the handcuffs off. not going to spend money to build something that's hobbled from day 1. I'll never have the cash to build a 'full-tilt' engine to prove it can't make equivalent power, and until that's done the old stodgies that hate JDM are going to continue to keep the handcuffs on a 20 yr old engine. can't win that one, so not going to try.
Houston Region
STU Nissan 240SX
EProd RX7
this is the part of "The Process" in IT that drove a number of people off, unhapily. there has to be some noise cancelation, the rulesmakers can't be jumping at every request by moving specs up and down, but there also needs to be a reasonable threshold to being taken seriously. when ONLY full tilt builds will be accepted for review (or when the perception is that this is the case), those who simply can't afford that effort are left out to dry with what are often reaosnable requests for adjustment or review. The difference between a good build and a great build is not a huge amount of peak hp in most cases, just a lot of reliability, driveability (area under the curve), etc... and it adds up to lower lap times more than winning the race on the dyno.
the ST non USDM market rules adding weight or reducing TIR size "just because foreign" is not good practice. Yes, there are specific cases (i.e. powerplants or chassis) where such penalties ARE warranted and I think any reasonable person would agree to them. but not blanket application to all items sharing a non technical detail. have your cake and eat it, too. Matt has every right to feel that way, IMHO. no one should be asked to prove a negative, and anyone who is has good reason to feel slighted.
Last edited by Chip42; 08-19-2014 at 02:37 PM.
Neither the CRB nor the STAC (nor I) has made a proclamation that "no" consideration will be made until data on a full-tilt build is presented to them.
However, there's absolutely zero point in making chances until someone builds one*.
We can always go back to "US market engines only" if it'll make people feel better...that way there's no ambiguity.
GA
* If you truly believe that 2mm of TIR will make that much of a difference, enough so that you'll not even consider building it, then IMO it's not going to be a competitive package anyway...
December 2012 GCR:
Either the OEM transmission or an alternate transmission must be
used; the alternate transmission must be from the same manufacturer
as the vehicle (e.g., an Acura transmission may be installed
in a Honda car). Alternate transmissions must be used in their
entirety. Retrofitting OEM complete gear sets in an alternate transmission
case is permitted.
August 2014 GCR:
Either the original transmission or an alternate transmission must
be used; the alternate transmission must be from the same manufacturer
as the vehicle (i.e., an Acura transmission may be installed
in a Honda car). Alternate transmissions must be used in their
entirety; any OEM gear sets that fit w/o any modifications to gears,
shafts, and/or case are permitted.
The change came as a request from the CRB.
I think the verbiage change clearly implies gear pairs can be mixed and matched. We'll see what the STAC/CRB says.
GA
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