What is a "touring car?"

[Matt93SE]

STU had the "touring car" requirement by intention of the class being for retired WC Touring Class cars..
I'm not sure what requirements World Challenge originally had for them to be in the class, but the point of the class's origin being specifically called "touring car" means the intent was there.

Frankly, I don't care one way or the other. STU is at the bottom end of the participation list right now, and there are lots of eyes looking at it. The Prod guys want us to go away so we'll quit mucking up their EP/FP races. The GT boys don't want to play with us either because we don't have slicks.. But give it another year or two at the current participation levels and many people that purpose-built cars for the class will be hoping they can fit into GT/Prod. There's no longer the 2.5 requirement, but we're averaging 1.9x cars per race.. You think they're going to give us a slot at Ruboffs with that kind of participation?
not trying to be pessimistic, just looking at the hazy side of my crystal ball....

[Z3_GoCar]

STU had the "touring car" requirement by intention of the class being for retired WC Touring Class cars..
I'm not sure what requirements World Challenge originally had for them to be in the class, but the point of the class's origin being specifically called "touring car" means the intent was there.

Frankly, I don't care one way or the other. STU is at the bottom end of the participation list right now, and there are lots of eyes looking at it. The Prod guys want us to go away so we'll quit mucking up their EP/FP races. The GT boys don't want to play with us either because we don't have slicks.. But give it another year or two at the current participation levels and many people that purpose-built cars for the class will be hoping they can fit into GT/Prod. There's no longer the 2.5 requirement, but we're averaging 1.9x cars per race.. You think they're going to give us a slot at Ruboffs with that kind of participation?
not trying to be pessimistic, just looking at the hazy side of my crystal ball....

I wouldn't be so pessimistic about STU's future. Sure the majors participation isn't as high as it had been in the past, but we're already at 11 STU cars signed up and I'm sure there's at least a half dozen that'll come from the local regions through the divisional route. We've been ahead of AS, GT1, T3, and T4. In fact this may be the largest the STU field to date.

As for roles, I see STU as more of the current GTS and less of the TC of old. Maybe that's the solution to the STL dilemma, banish the DD Miatas to STU, and remove the rotary's to only the chassis that they came with, which can be regulated back to parity.

[adamjabaay]

I can think of a half dozen cars in process for STL , all fwd...

it just looks like a fun place to play. My crx might not dominate anyone nationally, but it will be fun and budget friendly, and mike taylors gsr b18 EG should run well too, albeit a focus on enduro stuff

[JS154]

. Maybe that's the solution to the STL dilemma, banish the DD Miatas to STU, and remove the rotary's to only the chassis that they came with, which can be regulated back to parity.

Send in a letter.

www.crbscca.com

[Andy Bettencourt]

No, that's not the solution. The solution is to work with what you have created. People have real money into cars based on rules that have been presented for more than enough time to fix any wayward intent.

The rotards aren't the perceived issue. The 'non touring cars' are. Split the classes and see what happens if you have to.

'We never wanted RWD'
'We never wanted rotories'

Well we included them. People built cars. People are running the class in huge numbers.

Send in a letter.

www.crbscca.com

[Greg Amy]

Nope, it's now unofficially - and inevitably - "Yet Another Miata Class".

Us retarded kids will just go find another sandbox to play in. - GA

[Knestis]

Nope, it's now unofficially - and inevitably - "Yet Another Miata Class".

Us retarded kids will just go find another sandbox to play in. - GA

QFT

I've gone from being one of the biggest proponents of IT in the nation; to being an IT leper; to being massively excited about ST; to the sorry realization that unless I want to build some whack-job swapped NSX or some shit, I'm destined to be a field filler in that class.

I don't think I'm an idiot about the racing biz, I feel like three decades plus of commitment to the Club probably SHOULD matter, but I find myself now taking substantive steps to go run NASA. Not that my dollars are as important as those of, say, a CRB member who's built a car to take advantage of a loophole that the STAC couldn't quite keep closed or anything...

But the academic in me will ask this, Andy: How many PURPOSE-BUILT-TO-THE RULES "sports car" or "GT" STL cars are actively running in the ENTIRE United States...? More than the three I can think of?

K

[Greg Amy]

QFT

I've gone from being one of the biggest proponents of IT in the nation; to being an IT leper; to being massively excited about ST; to the sorry realization that unless I want to build some whack-job swapped NSX or some shit, I'm destined to be a field filler in that class.

I don't think I'm an idiot about the racing biz, I feel like three decades plus of commitment to the Club probably SHOULD matter, but I find myself now taking substantive steps to go run NASA.

Ditto.

I left ITA to go to ITS....because Miata.

I left ITS to go to STL...because Miata (and RX-7).

I'm now looking to leave STL and go to Somewhere I'm Not Yet Prepared to Declare (though vintage beckons long-term)...because Miata (and rotary engine).

They're excellent little cars. We, car guys, are all better for them. But when the answer I get is "so, why don't you build a Miata?" then, well, that tells me no one is listening to the question.



GA

[Knestis]

... But the academic in me will ask this, Andy: How many PURPOSE-BUILT-TO-THE RULES "sports car" or "GT" STL cars are actively running in the ENTIRE United States...? More than the three I can think of?

K

Yo, Andy! How's the counting going...?

Seriously, though - I think it's germane to the conversation, exactly how many we're talking about when we say, "People built cars." How many do we risk disenfranchising by taking all of those sedan-vs-sports/GT car variables out of the formula for equalizing STL options...?

K

[Knestis]

Send in a letter.

www.crbscca.com

Actually, it occurs to me that since my letter has been sent up to the CRB for consideration, there must have been some action on the STAC's part. My big complaint - the reason I quit the ITAC - was that the CRB was sitting on recommendations from that ad hoc, or in some cases individual CRB members were actively misrepresenting or twisting those recommendations to others. Letters to the Board might in this case actually be a good idea for anyone who cares about this issue.

K