View Poll Results: Which would you rather do?

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  • I would rather finish 3rd in a hard-fought, 3-car race.

    59 85.51%
  • I would rather win by a huge margin.

    10 14.49%
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  1. #1
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    Default What kind of racer are you?

    Just out of curiosity...

    I've always raced under the philosophy that we do this for fun, and it is much more fun to actually compete with other drivers for position than to win running all alone. Of course the ultimate high is to have good, close racing, where you come out on top; but with the exception of some of spec classes (SM, SSM, SRF) that seems to be more the exception than the rule. I've said more than once I would rather finish 3rd in a close, hard-fought race race with 2 other drivers than win by 20 seconds. Of course that doesn't mean I would ever slow down if I found myself way out in front, but it just wouldn't be a satisfying or fun. I've also come to learn that there are many drivers for whom winning is the only thing, no matter how it happens.

    Anyway, I've added a poll with options for those two philosophies; I am curious to see how many others feel the way I do. I'm guessing up front that I am in the minority, but we'll see...
    Last edited by erlrich; 01-09-2014 at 02:01 PM.
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    you always want to win, but its no fun if you're out there just lapping every weekend
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    Best races I've had were ones where I did not win. Had some nice ones at CMP and RRR like that, VIR not so much as things tend to get spread out.

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    Poll writing fale!
    I think what you meant was:
    Finish in the top of a group of equally talented drivers after a hard fought battle

    or

    Dickstomp a poorly subscribed class of newbies and also rans,




    Ideally, I like to WIN a hard fought race ...by a wide margin, LOL
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    As a good friend told me..." the best place to be during a race is leading your class, directly on on the bumper of the second place car!"
    Last edited by chuck baader; 01-09-2014 at 04:34 PM. Reason: Clarity??
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    Quote Originally Posted by lateapex911 View Post
    Poll writing fale!
    I think what you meant was:
    Finish in the top of a group of equally talented drivers after a hard fought battle

    or

    Dickstomp a poorly subscribed class of newbies and also rans,
    I thought that was what I said...meant....meant to say....oh, hell, you know what I meant.

    I think the real fale was in thinking I was in the minority. Or, maybe those for whom winning is all that matters don't want to admit it (or maybe they're out working on their race cars, and don't have time to post dumb polls on internet forums?)....
    Last edited by erlrich; 01-09-2014 at 04:56 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron Earp View Post
    Best races I've had were ones where I did not win.

    +1

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    What Jake said.

    And not all the time but sometimes it is fun! One weekend a few years back in the rain, myself and one other car totally took off. I think we may have lapped the entire field (some multiple times), and several other higher class cars. I admit I was having a LOT of fun.

    I've also won by a good margin and was the most boring race ever. My wife made it a point to tell me she was bored too. Probably some of my most fun races where for 15th or so place. Still don't want to go back there now though. lol

    This very point has made me wonder sometimes about people who build their cars to a point where they are much better than their competition. It doesn't take away from their driving abilities, but wondered if they were actually having fun or being pushed to become a better driver. I know the answer to that.
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    Two races come to mind that where the most fun for me.

    The first was i made a bad tire choice on one of those weather days where everyone is standing around looking at eachnother tire someone to decide on a tire. I made the wrong call and left pregrid to swap. I had to start for pit row and last....about 30th overall. I qualified 7th overall. It was a blast working through traffic. I was trying to get back to my qualifying position. I almost did it.

    Second was a day with two races placing 3rd then 2nd. Somehow I was mixed in with two of the fastest drivers in the northeast with boat loads more talent and experience than i have. Somehow in both races we stayed within a second or less of each other. I was totally using up my car to be there. They graciously didnt treat me rough. Awesome time.

    On the flip side I hate being the slug that is giving my mentors a point by every ten laps.
    Chris Raffaelli
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    I'll take option c. Runaway to a 10+ second win, in a tightly rules controlled class, via prep and driving.

    For example, my first road racing win, in a pro7. Cheap class (what happened to those?), equal enought cars, good drivers, and a race where it all came good.

    Saw my first mentor at the gas station that night, who gave me a big hug and told me he knew I could do it. Great praise that started a killer 5 year run. ( and a memory, clear as day 10 years later)
    Marcus
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    The 2008 IT Fest weekend had the best racing I have ever enjoyed. I finished 3rd in a hard fought 3 car battle all weekend.
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