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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Amy View Post
    "I know we have softened on the whole appearance thing for the ITEZ cars, but those over there are just way out of bounds. We have to maintain some acceptable level of standards!"

    "That's the IT7 crowd, sir."

    LOL!

    Dick, I think you are doing this exactly right. There are also quite a few HPDE type cars that folks have built that have engine swaps etc.

    and you guys are providing them a place/class to race and experience SCCA and it is up to the rest of us at the rack to make the experience worth returning to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tom91ita View Post
    LOL!

    Dick, I think you are doing this exactly right. There are also quite a few HPDE type cars that folks have built that have engine swaps etc.

    and you guys are providing them a place/class to race and experience SCCA and it is up to the rest of us at the rack to make the experience worth returning to.
    Amen Brother Tom
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    The ITEZ rule is the same as the ITE rule. ??
    Last years NE ITE winner was the Turbo VW?? Why not run the R cars in the ITE class designation and the 180 cars in the ITEZ class , same group? Solves all of our issues.. And keeps the ITEZ inside of the rule set for the cars interested. The other (R tire) double dippers can simply run ITE in the same group and get another race.


    FOR SCCA to gain some of the orphan cars, we need to address this market with a big picture plan. Somewhat similar to the Chumpemons marketing.
    We need some sort of nationwide rules agreement. The 180 tires and SCCA safety were the standard minimum parameters. The engine size or power is used some places depending on local interest and cars.

    We need a " ITEZ coordinator" to take all of this data and post it on a site that "Google" can find.

    We need to have a nationwide schedule posted in an easy access fashion . dedicated website to the ITEZ??

    We need a PR person to put out PR to relative points of interest. face Book, "Grassroots", " Racer" etc. With lead time!!
    Not 60days.

    Face it , posting " we want Chumpcars" on the SCCA site and in the SCCA regional papers, just bites us in the ass. ( many comments drive away outsiders).

    We need to find the demographic and hit it. The few Chumps that read these boards are already SCCA memebers. (waste of time as is most of this.)
    Doing little blurbs here and there , waste of time.

    How can one get all of the races, rules, etc and post them in one place?
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    I give up.

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    Dick, I appreciate all the effort you have put into this. Fortunately I know you have a thick skin and wont take all of this personally..........
    Jeff L

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    Quote Originally Posted by greg amy View Post
    i give up.
    :026:
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    teehee
    Demetrius Mossaidis aka 'Mickey' #12 ITA NESCCA
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    It's certainly not up to Dick but I do agree it'll need som exposure if anything is going to come from it. This is what I was planning on posting on my site with a couple of pictures of cars that would fit. Only part I wasn't sure about is the section related to the brakes and suspension where it listed ChumpCar and not Lemons. I added Lemons in it. Maybe that's not correct but whatever.

    Title: New SCCA Race Class with Minimal Cost and Preparation

    Improved Touring – EZ

    The purpose of IT‐EZ is to be an SCCA regional class where car preparation can be kept to a minimum. Cars that are built using ChumpCar or Lemons rules are welcome. As opposed to any other class of SCCA road racing, IT‐EZ competition is designed as a “fun run” class, without any promise or intent of performance equitability. IT‐EZ is designed to provide a way for drivers to earn an SCCA racing license and race in regional competition, with the absolute lowest cost vehicle. In no way will any waivers be considered or granted in areas regarding safety of the vehicle or driver.

    IT‐EZ vehicles may race with prior accident damage, as long as that prior damage does not create a danger to the driver of that vehicle or fellow competitors.

    Non‐functional additions to vehicles, whose primary purpose is to express a creativity theme, are allowed only if do not create a potential safety hazard to the driver or fellow competitors.

    IT‐EZ Eligible Vehicles

    Must be a “mass produced” gas or diesel powered, four wheel passenger car.

    Minimum weight of 1,800 pounds and a maximum weight of 4,000 pounds and a production‐based engine.

    Tires must conform to applicable Improved Touring rules, i.e., must be DOT rated tires, and sizes must be consistent with allowable dimensions per the GCR. 190 wear‐dated street tires are not mandated, but they may be used if the racer prefers.

    Preparation regarding brakes, suspension, and engine must meet SCCA Improved Touring, ChumpCar, or Lemons rules.

    Currently this is being introduced in SCCA’s New England Region, but several other regions are also moving forward with this or similar initiatives. If you are interested in seeing this done in regions where you want to race, please contact the Regional Executive and Race Chair / Competition Director of your SCCA region. To find your region, click here. http://www.scca.com/about/?cid=44433

    Add link to the Improved Touring Rules
    Include links to ChumpCar and Lemons rules?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Amy View Post
    I give up.
    LOL
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    getting folks into racing is good.

    I hate to sound like a willie nillie but one safety concern.....the roll cage in my spec miata (that I run in SM2 as well) was designed by rules to be hit by other spec miatas. I actually went with .120 thick in case I got hit by a BMW in a NASA race.

    What happens if I get hit by a 3500 lb smokey and the bandit camaro?

    Also Limerock could get to be a very busy place in what will be a very "mixed class" scenario. Not quite as extreme as how ALMS ran there, but pretty busy. Brings a whole new level of strategy to trying to lap/pass people in the downhill.

    It's definitely going to be a "learn as we go" process, but one of the nice things about this is I have no doubt people like Dick or Greg will change the rules/cars in run groups on the fly to make sure things are better for all involved.

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    Most F bods are under 3000# RTR.
    The big cars wont show up. The IT style cars may.
    The EX 1.6 SM cars may.
    The car to car interaction has been surprising low damage. I think that the higher closing speeds reduces the hard car to car racing and gives more room to avoid stopped cars. The harder tires also helps the spinners to slip further offline.
    All of the cages MOL have done a good job.
    The distance from driver to cage bars is the biggest safety margin. Any Miata cage with 3 door bars into the door panel and sil plates will be fine IMHO.
    The door opening is small , the bars are short, plenty of lateral crush value IMHO. Use the good padding on the tubes.

    FWIW; Cages; Here is our crush box pic;http://www.ogren-engineering.com/pat...nventions.html
    MM
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