Carbon Fiber Body Parts???

[AE86ITA]

Could someone chime in on how the rules view te use of either carbon fiber or fiberglass body parts on an Improved Touring car. I understand they can not be used but I'm looking for written words.

Thanks,

[Greg Amy]

Could someone chime in on how the rules view te use of either carbon fiber or fiberglass body parts on an Improved Touring car.

They don't, therefore they're not allowed.

Read the beginning of the IT regs; it states something along the lines of "no changes are allowed unless specifically allowed", or in the vernacular 'if it doesn't say you can, then you cannot'.

IIDSYCTYC.

- GA

[spawpoet]

You won't find any reference to carbon fiber or fiberglass body work under the IT rules, therefore they cannot be used. If it doesn't say you can do it, then you must assume you cannot.

[JIgou]

Could someone chime in on how the rules view te use of either carbon fiber or fiberglass body parts on an Improved Touring car. I understand they can not be used but I'm looking for written words.

Thanks,

Words. Lots and lots of written words: http://www.scca.com/clubracing/content.cfm?cid=44472

In particular, the General Competition Rules, up-to-date through September: http://www.scca.com/assets/2013%20GCR%20September.pdf

[AE86ITA]

Guys; normally people locally ask me for rules interpretation due to either language barrier or lack of time so I understand, the thing is We've been trying to show new competitors what the rules are and then there're some that just need to see it in writing.


Thanks,

[Greg Amy]

...there're some that just need to see it in writing.

It *is* in writing, at the very beginning of the IT regs. Just look in the opening paragraphs where it says you can only do what is specifically allowed within the regs.

You will not find a reg that says you "can't" do specific things, let along carbon fiber body panel. It is physically and metaphorically impossible to list out all the things you cannot do. Instead, the regs instead turn it around and say you can't do ANYTHING unless we say in here that you can. And nowhere in there does it say you can do carbon fiber body panels.

- GA

[Dano77]

As I understand, through years of trial and error, what Greg is saying. Lets not get snippy here.

The Original poster asked where it was written. Its not. We all know what NOT written means. BUT when you are talking to a new member/builder of a car, he/she sometimes needs it to say You Cannot Use XXX as well as you CAN use YYY.

Ive been on both sides of this as recently as this season. Its real easy when talking to someone who May come to a race, to hear that statement. It doesn't say I cant run it, its a race car why cant I run it. The tough part is keeping them interested after that conversation and they find out they need to scrap the ENTIRE Itchy Zoomy Body kit they just had painted to match the roll cage, and install stock(shudder) fenders.

Just my 2 cents

This again goes to the graying of the club. Kids like flashy cars, as well as engine mods.

[Ed Funk]

Holy poop! Dan's bein' reasonable.

[erlrich]

This again goes to the graying of the club. Kids like flashy cars, as well as engine mods.

But we do have classes for all that...just not IT. Also, I'm not sure the original question has as much to do with the graying of the club as the fact that the younger generations don't seem to have the desire/patience/willingness to spend a little time researching rules before they go out and make a bunch of modifications to their cars.

[erlrich]

Guys; normally people locally ask me for rules interpretation due to either language barrier or lack of time so I understand, the thing is We've been trying to show new competitors what the rules are and then there're some that just need to see it in writing.

Thanks,

Just for the record, here is what you're looking for:

9.1.3.B "Entrants shall not be guaranteed the competitiveness of any car,
and competition adjustments, other than as outlined in section 9.1.3.C,
are not allowed. Other than those specifically allowed by these rules, no
component or part normally found on a stock example of a given vehicle
may be disabled, altered, or removed."

Emphasis added.

[Knestis]

ALL of that having been said, (arguably) the only productive reason we have the distinction between Regional and National events, is that regions can create classes - potentially unique classes - to suit their local context.

I'm not kidding when I say it might make sense for someone to create PRTB, PRTA, and PRTS...

K

[mossaidis]

ALL of that having been said, (arguably) the only productive reason we have the distinction between Regional and National events, is that regions can create classes - potentially unique classes - to suit their local context.

I'm not kidding when I say it might make sense for someone to create PRTB, PRTA, and PRTS...

K

Though sometimes forgotten, it's a fine option to consider.