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    I did EMRA events too. Another aspect that I liked was the $$$$ competitors were spending weren't as crazy. Maybe that was a direct result of being easier to begin racing with them. Didn't even think about that until you mentioned it Phil.
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    Glenn this is more controlled than a Club racing driver’s school in that like vintage it operates under the 13/13 concept. One at fault incident and you have a 13 month probation, a second one and you are suspended from this form of event for 13 months. This is designed to foster a less aggressive environment.


    If these events become more common in the future then it will give someone an outlet for wheel to wheel competition without ever having to deal with the hassle of the additional requirements. If instead they decide they want to get it to it harder they can move along to traditional club racing. Either way it is all good.
    As to the risk, if the risk professionals are satisfied with the program why second guess them.


    As to the belts and medicals, who knows if this is successful maybe some of it could trickle up.
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    Fair enough.

    ok, I'll stop trying to be an armchair risk lawyer.

    I didn't realize someone could continue to CRX. I thought it was only an intro day.

    Trickle up would be good

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    Why is the price for this not in the first line in the first post, in bold? Why does one have to sort through supps to figure out price, which for many is the A#1 barrier to entry? If this isn't cheap, like $250 max, it's completely ineffective. Sorry if this sounds rant-ish, but even with being in the club for a while the information dissemination part varies so much region to region it's hard as hell for me to figure out fundamental stuff like event cost.

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    Could be that the price is not fixed yet. IDK. You are right tho.
    This appears to be a very young concept and not fully fixed in stone. As it should be IMHO.

    Another chance to improve the driver skill at this point also is for two seats for instructor rides. The standard driver school lacks the instructor input . Watching from the track side is good but not nearly the same. I get many fresh NP holders that we need to ride with to get near a decent line even tho they have the 6 hrs or so of track time.
    Maybe mix in some good racers to monitor/film, and with cars marked, " Follow Me" or "follow me DA". FMDA

    I would think that ride alongs would be a huge benefit, just like taking any virgin for track day, it is a lot easier to take 3 laps and show the basics, instead of spending 2 sesssions trying toget near the edge of the track .. " station wagon rides" are close tho.

    I really hope to see some advertising in a few motor sports mags, Road and Track has a BA ad for Chumpcar and Chumptruck.

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    I really hope to see some advertising in a few motor sports mags, Road and Track has a BA ad for Chumpcar and Chumptruck.
    How do you advertise in national publications when it's for a single specific date and region? Hope to see the PDX and this grow and become supported by many more regions.

    There was a PDX at a recent Lime Rock SCCA event which was mixed in. Overall I thought that was a great.
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    Can someone give us a synopsis of this event?
    Thanks, MM
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    tis... NO! geez buddy. I mean first Jeff Lawton wants porn, now Greg Amy wants to spell out all of wikipedia, Ed Funk wants to buy a pair of kinky boots, now YOU want a SYNOPSIS... I think everyone is asking WAY TOO MUCH of improvedtouring.com.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mossaidis View Post
    tis... NO! geez buddy. I mean first Jeff Lawton wants porn, now Greg Amy wants to spell out all of wikipedia, Ed Funk wants to buy a pair of kinky, now YOU want a SYNOPSIS... I think everyone is asking WAY TOO MUCH of improvedtouring.com.
    Wait....what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by StephF View Post
    Wait....what?
    Add the word "boot" after kinky. Then read this thread.

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    Lets try again. Did anyone go? Was it a success? Thanks, porn.
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    [QUOTE=Flyinglizard;350177]Lets try again. Did anyone go? Was it a success? Thanks, Not sure if a success there were 5 entrants And it was rumored they had a good time with no mishaps
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    My dad did it and had a really good time. The region used a couple instructors to "plump" the field. The instructors ran away from the students in the race, but that's all part of seat time, seat time, seat time.
    I don't know if it was a success, but hopefully the club will use it to learn, whether it's throw the idea out or build on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcolbey View Post
    My dad did it and had a really good time. The region used a couple instructors to "plump" the field. The instructors ran away from the students in the race, but that's all part of seat time, seat time, seat time.
    I don't know if it was a success, but hopefully the club will use it to learn, whether it's throw the idea out or build on it.
    I received the loaner suit back yesterday... glad he could enjoy it!

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    Can anyone tell me what this "Race Experience" looked like? What it, for all intents and purposes, a "race"? Or was it a glorified PDX session? Was there open passing everywhere on track, even in corners?

    I'm trying to gather information for my own Region.

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    So let me get this straight. The safety requirements were not the same as "regular competitors" needed ? How to dis your regular customers.

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    This to compete with other orgs that do the same kinda thing. IMHO.
    Just trying to ease the on track entry hurdles. It is not for everyone.
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    The racing experience product is wheel to wheel racing in GCR safety legal cars with performance potential of about an ITA-SM level.
    The racing should not be overly aggressive and follows the 13-13 on track rules similar to what is commonly used in vintage racing.
    It is an instructional environment like you see at HPD events. There is a chief instructor and drivers meeting and debriefs particularly for novices.
    In exchange for some of the above limitations licenses are not required and participant can self-certify they are healthy similar to what the FAA does for their lower level. Also head and neck devices are only recommended.
    The SCCA enabling language is in the BOD meeting minutes in fastrack January 2013.
    We will be looking to add some more language to give further direction at our meeting in December.
    Feel free to pm me for more specific information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forestdweller37 View Post
    Can anyone tell me what this "Race Experience" looked like? What it, for all intents and purposes, a "race"? Or was it a glorified PDX session? Was there open passing everywhere on track, even in corners?

    I'm trying to gather information for my own Region.
    It was a little bit of both. The first session was different point-bys with no passing in the corners. The students through the rest of the day were sometimes points, sometimes not. The instructors when working with students were rarely on points. The last session of the day the , there was a "grid" that was arbitrary as there was no times. After the grid, the field did follow around a pace car and had a race start. PM me or Dick Patullo if you'd like more detail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcolbey View Post
    It was a little bit of both. The first session was different point-bys with no passing in the corners. The students through the rest of the day were sometimes points, sometimes not. The instructors when working with students were rarely on points. The last session of the day the , there was a "grid" that was arbitrary as there was no times. After the grid, the field did follow around a pace car and had a race start. PM me or Dick Patullo if you'd like more detail.
    Thank you. Dick and I have been in contact earlier this year. Looks like it's time for me to resume the dialog.

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