Contact Impound

[Knestis]

I almost had "contact" with a Formula A-hole driver who figured that the rules about not pitting in the traffic/fire lanes in the paddock didn't apply to him...

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[jumbojimbo]

no fault racing incident

I think including that option means 90% would say it because it is the easy answer, too easy of an answer. Even if it a racing incident someone is at fault even if it is just for starting the car in the morning. It will provoke a more thoughtful answer without the easy answer, and that's the point, right?

[ner88]

The car getting hit would blame the other guy and the car doing the hitting would say "just a racing incident"

[lawtonglenn]

...

Hopefully the form has a spot for 'blame' or 'no blame' - between drivers. If you had a stack of bump drafting paperwork in your 'file', that had no blame attached, this should not weigh in as a negative by a SOM reviewing your info during a real Action.

I love the idea overall. Great stuff.

so if we could change one line on the report

FROM

This contact was mostly
my fault/ the other driver’s fault

TO

This contact was mostly
my fault/ the other driver’s fault/ no fault racing incident

.

[ShelbyRacer]

I'd prefer to see "shared fault" when it's a racing incident. I also believe that would not necessarily be an "easy answer", and would hopefully take that thought with them. I'm also not fond of the word "fault", but that's another issue.

Perhaps-

This contact was mostly
My fault/the fault of the other driver/faults of both drivers

[lawtonglenn]

...I'm also not fond of the word "fault", but that's another issue.

Here's from a Thesaurus ... I vote for boob

fault
noun
1. responsibility, liability, guilt, accountability, culpability It was all my fault we quarrelled.
2. mistake, slip, error, offence, blunder, lapse, negligence, omission, boob (Brit. slang), oversight, slip-up, indiscretion, inaccuracy, howler (informal), glitch (informal), error of judgment, boo-boo (informal) It was a genuine fault.
3. failing, lack, weakness, defect, deficiency, flaw, drawback, shortcoming, snag, blemish, imperfection, Achilles heel, weak point, infirmity, demerit His manners always made her blind to his faults.
failing credit, strength, asset, merit, attribute, virtue, goodness, perfection
4. misdeed, failing, wrong, offence, sin, lapse, misconduct, wrongdoing, trespass, frailty, misdemeanour, delinquency, transgression, peccadillo Hypocrisy is one fault of which he cannot be accused.

[lawtonglenn]

This contact was mostly
My fault/the fault of the other driver/faults of both drivers

I like it ... or maybe simpler:

This contact was:
Mostly my fault / Mostly other driver's fault / Equally shared fault

.

[Racerlinn]

Stick with "fault of both".
"Equally shared" will then turn into "it was both our faults.....but more HIS!!!" middle school debate.

[erlrich]

I love the whole CI concept, and firmly believe all contact should be investigated to some extent. I do however think "racing incident" is a perfectly valid answer to "whose fault was it?"; sometimes contact is truly unavoidable, and results from perfectly acceptable actions on both driver's part. As the saying goes, shit happens. When you're driving at the limit of adhesion, in close proximity to other cars, the probability that shit will happen increases considerably. If both drivers agree, then it was a racing incident, not anybody's fault.

[Ed Funk]

Stick with "fault of both".
"Equally shared" will then turn into "it was both our faults.....but more HIS!!!" middle school debate.

Back to the SCCA driver=middle school!

Pretty much without exception, everyone who's ever had contact with me was an asshole!
I think that term is very usable and universally understood.

Helpful?

[mossaidis]

I agree Ed, that wall at NHMS was and still is a COMPLETE JERK!

[ShelbyRacer]

Here's from a Thesaurus ... I vote for boob

Huh huh, he said boob.

So, we could change it to-

I was the boob/the other driver was the boob/we were both boobs

?

Huh huh, two boobs.

[Matt93SE]

You can pretty much blame anything that happens in life on boobs...

Umm yeah. Nice concept, I like it. I vote for leaving who's at fault as-is. It asks who is MORE at fault, you or the other guy... there is always the guy that pushed first/drifted wide, wasn't looking ahead to see the guy 3 cars ahead spinning and expect to avoid the guy 1 car in front..

anyway, I fully support it if/when something like that is put in place in SWDIV. The only instances of contact I've had (so far) were all explained with a conversation, handshake, and a beer. both parties were partially at fault in every case. some were more my fault, some more the other guy's.. none were 50/50. Remember that bump drafting takes the guy in the back willfully pushing the guy in the front. the guy in front certainly isn't sandbagging...

[Drew M]

Two cars go to the CI for bump drafting. 2 drivers fill out the forms. Two drivers walk away fine. No issues.

Hopefully the form has a spot for 'blame' or 'no blame' - between drivers. If you had a stack of bump drafting paperwork in your 'file', that had no blame attached, this should not weigh in as a negative by a SOM reviewing your info during a real Action.

I love the idea overall. Great stuff.

Not that I go around using my bumper as a push bar, but that's why I asked. A safely executed, straight line bump (draft or not) isn't always a bad thing.

[StephF]

I agree Ed, that wall at NHMS was and still is a COMPLETE JERK!

Hey Mickey, we reserved a chapter for you in the new book.

[Ed Funk]

And to think I used to like Mickey.

[924Guy]

Small suggestion... I would personally like to see some form of "I could have avoided this contact by:"

Simply to get all drivers involved to think about such. Not that there's always an option to avoid, but...

JMO...

[ner88]

Small suggestion... I would personally like to see some form of "I could have avoided this contact by:"

Simply to get all drivers involved to think about such. Not that there's always an option to avoid, but...

JMO...

"I think contact could have been avoided by:"
Last question on the form!

[mossaidis]

Hey Mickey, we reserved a chapter for you in the new book.

Sweet. Please learn from my mistakes. Leaping from building to building will indeed lead to failure and the upsetting of others, though levels vary greatly.

I will ask Ahbi and Denise to sign it "my" chapter.

[jjjanos]

Not that I go around using my bumper as a push bar, but that's why I asked. A safely executed, straight line bump (draft or not) isn't always a bad thing.

And yet is a violation of the rules.