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    Default Oil pressure/Oil cooler/Bearing health

    We spun the #1 bearing testing a couple weeks ago. We just about have everything back together, but we are worried about what caused this in the first place. We have a pretty big aftermarket oil cooler on the car and the oil pressure is over 100 until the engine heats up (at which point it then drops into the 70-80 range). The oil pressure sensor is positioned just before the oil is pumped through the cooler. We were chatting about this and started to wonder if the oil cooler could be restricting the flow of oil in some way, maybe even enough to fail to lubricate things on the other end of the block.

    Is this a legit concern? Does this even make any sense?

    TIA.
    Dave Ellenwood
    ITB Jetta
    SCCA Ohio Valley Region
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    I don't know that much about the VW engine but my engine only has 60-70 lbs at start up and drops to 35-40 at idle when warm. When hot it drops a bit further but I don't remember how much. At speed I see 60-70 psi. I'm using 15W-40 oil. I do have an oil cooler with thermostat that directs some of the oil to the cooler but not all.

    I take my pressure readings from a port on the oil filter bracket that bolts to the side of the block as the oil re-enters the engine. This is after the oil is filtered and cooled.
    1988 ITA Scriocco 16V #80
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    I thought that you got my book.. No oil cooler is needed for IT racing.The stock HOH to oil cooler is fine.
    Just run 5/40 synthetic with a good pan. Dont bother with the oil temp guage. It gets hot for sure but will stay under 300 and not have any issues.
    Mike Ogren , FWDracingguide.com, 352.4288.983 ,http://www.ogren-engineering.com/

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    Default Oil pressure

    Didn't use a bright orange FRAM filter did you???? Try a WIX next time.

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    Default Oil Pressure / Bearing Health

    I have been running VW's for years, and never had any bearing issues, unless there was an oil pump problem or starvation. Are you using a baffled pan, like the ones from Techtonics?, What kind of clearances are you running on the rods? and Mains?.... I have found out that the oil pumps do wear out and if the pan is not baffled, starvation is possible. I do run an external oil cooler, and have never had a issue on my Mk 1 and MkIII models, The Mk II always had high oil temps. But on my MK III, using Mobil 1, 5/30, at 220 deg, oil pressure still is abut 75 lbs at 6200. Higher on short courses with lower speeds. I would look for either at not enough bearing clearance, starvation, or pump failure.... My opinion....

    David Ellis-Brown
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    Mike, we added the cooler for a bit of extra protection.

    Dick, yes, we were using a FRAM filter. We will change that.

    D. yes, we have a baffled oil pan. Clearance on the rod bearings is a consistent .002.

    It may have just been a fluke, but we are trying to help it NOT happen again.

    Thanks for the help!

    DE
    Dave Ellenwood
    ITB Jetta
    SCCA Ohio Valley Region
    [email protected]

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    What size are your oil cooler lines?

    You said the pressure gauge is right before the oil cooler. If the lines are too small, you will be chocking the flow, but the gauge will show the pressure is fine.
    Last edited by Sandro; 06-04-2012 at 08:16 PM.

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