Minimum weight display

[Matt Rowe]

Exactly. At WDCR events we do turn off the display that's visible to the driver when rolling over after a race. That's more of a precaution so that the driver doesn't summon his crew and have some additional ballast dumped into the car prior to being rolled back over the scales.

That still has never made sense to me. The tech shed is a physical building and a controlled space so there should be no crew there to add ballast. As the driver I want to see the same data that the tech crew is seeing to determine my legality. It just removes another potential source of protest in my humble opinion.

[Gregg]

My point being that as soon as you roll out of that building into that immense SPR impound area, which is not 100% under the watchful eye of the inspectors, something that weighs a few pounds (large buckets of water/ice, tools, etc) could find its way into the car before its pulled back into the shed and across the scales.

I've seen that attempted in a few places (like VIR).

[Greg Amy]

Pic?

All cars, during initial tech inspection, have to demonstrate where in the GCR their official weight is, and it's written on that event sticker:

[jhooten]

Jerry, while you mention our weights are on the stickers.. For a SowDiv race, would that be considered sufficient to meet this rule from your tech perspective? .

Unless we start putting the tech stickers next to the class designator the tech sticker would not meet the rules requirement.

[jhooten]

Seeing as how this is an IT site, those issues are for you and your competitors to work out! I make it a point to know who I am running against.

So I am hallucinating when I see the section labeled SUPER TOURING on the board index then?

[Greg Amy]

So I am hallucinating when I see the section labeled SUPER TOURING on the board index then?

This forum is, first and foremost, Improved Touring. Super Touring is "just being given a place to play, with no guarantee of competitiveness...."

[Continuum]

http://www.lellaautosport.com/minimum_weight_decal.html

Perfect. Thank you Sandro!

For what it is worth to the broader discussion. I am going to put it near my class stickers on both sides. If I can help the techs out and get out of impound quicker on those 100+F days I am happy to do it.


jason

[tdw6974]

Having Spent several years in Tech I have one comment for Greg AMEN

[Andy Bettencourt]

So I am hallucinating when I see the section labeled SUPER TOURING on the board index then?

Nope, but you ain't in the ST sub-section my friend. '

[jhooten]

I know when I'm not welcome.
Sorry to bother you.

[Andy Bettencourt]

I know when I'm not welcome.
Sorry to bother you.

Seriously? I was just pointing out that the question isn't really germane to this site unless you are talking to the 'experts' in the sub-forum. No need to take your ball and go home, we just can't help you with those questions unless you are asking in the right spot. Come down off the ledge!

[tdw6974]

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[jhooten]

Seriously? I was just pointing out that the question isn't really germane to this site unless you are talking to the 'experts' in the sub-forum. No need to take your ball and go home, we just can't help you with those questions unless you are asking in the right spot. Come down off the ledge!

It was a rhetorical question in response to the ongoing discussion concerning whether the proper weight had been posted on the car. Which you chose to nit-pick, totally ignoring the main point made in the following statement.

[betamotorsports]

Can you help me understand why you view it as a private matter? If you are weighing cars for compliance, to me, it should be VERY public.

Weight compliance is a pass/fail item - there's no gray area. Tech does not care what the vehicle weight is unless its non-compliant. We also feel that what a competitor's car weighs is a competitive secret and its not up to us to disclose that information. Most IT competitors joke about their car weights complaining how heavy the car is or how heavy they are personally. That's fine with us, but we do not presume to start that discussion.

[jjjanos]

But that doesn't mean that Tech is going to take your word for it; no way. They'll still take the time AFTER to look up your weight and verify that you put the right numbers on the side of the car, and if you didn't, they'll toss you for the violation.

So, in other words, the rule serves no purpose as Tech still is going to look through the book for the weight of the car.

[Greg Amy]

So, in other words, the rule serves no purpose as Tech still is going to look through the book for the weight of the car.

Correct, but they don't have to do it while you're sitting right there, taking up space on the scales and they have a line of 6 other race classes that all need to be weighed.

Trust, but verify.

Can't imagine why this is causing so much bitching. This is just the stupidest thing to get all bent out of shape about...it's not like us wankers need to save valuable advertising space on the side of our car or anything...

GA

[jjjanos]

Correct, but they don't have to do it while you're sitting right there, taking up space on the scales and they have a line of 6 other race classes that all need to be weighed.

Seriously... how long does it take to look up the frigging weights?

Can't imagine why this is causing so much bitching. This is just the stupidest thing to get all bent out of shape about...it's not like us wankers need to save valuable advertising space on the side of our car or anything...

Cuz it's off-season. Cuz it's another PITA put on the racers. Cuz it's another PITA that seems to be a solution to a non-existing problem.

Do my decals need to carry an unexpired SFI decal too?

[Racerlinn]

<checks calendar>
Yep, it's still winter.

[Greg Amy]

Seriously... how long does it take to look up the frigging weights?

I'll chalk you up in the column of "I've never volunteered to work the scales at tech while 6+ classes of 3+ cars each are all standing out in the hot sun/cold rain waiting to be paraded across the scales while some guy flips through the outdated paper copy of the GCR trying to find MY car, in MY class, and trying to get from me the chassis, car, engine installed, number of gears, suspension mods, blah, blah, blah."

Try it sometime, you'll like it.

Conversely, we can do it just like we do at the Runoffs: instead of doing all the work in arrears, we can stand in the pre-tech line with our helmets waiting for our tech approval sticker, while debating with the tech inspector what page in the GCR you are to find OUR car, in OUR class, and trying to get from me the chassis, car, engine installed, number of gears, suspension mods, blah, blah, blah. Or, even better, we can wait in line behind the guy in front of us that's doing the same thing for HIS car.

Or we can put a little piece of vinyl on our car with that info (or, if that's a bit too steep an investment, put a piece of duct tape and "write" the number on the duct tape. Your call.)

<still shaking head...>

GA

[lateapex911]

Seriously... how long does it take to look up the frigging weights?

Jjjjjanos, carrying dickish behavior to ever new heights. This is a record, even for you.

yes, YOU don't see a problem, but then you are one of the more centric guys out there.

Now if you were actually working tech, trying to get racers in and out quickly, for their benefit*, maybe you could see the reason.
But we know you aren't in tech, so you won't.

*And the benefit of many others, because at some tracks, paddock space is limited, and there isn't an aircraft carrier deck sized space to line up 40 cars waiting to be weighed, so all the cars get stacked up clogging traffic, etc.
And before you whine that they shouldn't weigh 40 cars, bla bla bla, I'll go on record as saying Id LOVE it if tech was more assertive in weighing everybody, and making everyone open hoods, etc.