February 2012 Fastrack

[Dave Gomberg]

These are posted at http://www.scca.com/assets/January3m...im_minutes.pdf and http://www.scca.com/assets/prelim_TB_12-02.pdf

Dave

[Knestis]

Sorry, but LOL

ITR
1. #6578 (Dale LaGasse) Classify 1982 El Camino for ITR
Thank you for your input. Since this vehicle was not manufactured with a manual transmission, it cannot be classified to run in Improved Touring.

K

[Ron Earp]

Sorry, but LOL

ITR
1. #6578 (Dale LaGasse) Classify 1982 El Camino for ITR
Thank you for your input. Since this vehicle was not manufactured with a manual transmission, it cannot be classified to run in Improved Touring.

K

While a manual might not have been available in 1982 (I'm not clear on that), it was available in other years that make up that generation, 1978 to 1987. But none of the engine output levels would land it in ITR. ITA or ITS is where it'd be classed.

[Greg Amy]

While a manual might not have been available in 1982 (I'm not clear on that), it was available in other years that make up that generation, 1978 to 1987. But none of the engine output levels would land it in ITR. ITA or ITS is where it'd be classed.

YEAH, BABY!!!!

[preparedcivic]

That request reminds me of that Acura ZDW dude who got all of our panties in a bunch here a while back.

[JS154]

Sorry, but LOL

ITR
1. #6578 (Dale LaGasse) Classify 1982 El Camino for ITR
Thank you for your input. Since this vehicle was not manufactured with a manual transmission, it cannot be classified to run in Improved Touring.

K

Run that sucker in STU with an engine from an HHR.

[Ron Earp]

Run that sucker in STU with an engine from an HHR.

Bzzzzzzt. Silly ST 1985 year cut off screws him on that one. Or maybe not, seems I recall something about a chassis that spanned years previous would be allowed.

Hmmmm, Fox bodied Mustangs started in 1979 and ran through 1993, and even into 2004 as the basic chassis. Maybe they'd all be eligible.

[Andy Bettencourt]

Still nothing on the Vette and 240SX ITS car?

[JeffYoung]

We had a bit of a philosophical debate on the El Mullet. Some where in favor, some not. The 'no manual' gave us an easy out.

Andy, a recommendation was made on the C4 Vette. We are still doing research on the ITS 240sx.

[Ron Earp]

El Camino has a manual, someone requests the year with a manual then it should be classed. Philosophical debate as in "we don't want THOSE cars in IT?" Somewhat similar to the one that almost knocked Pony cars out of ITR?

240sx, it is classed already. Is there a problem with the classification?

[Andy Bettencourt]

240sx, it is classed already. Is there a problem with the classification?

Yup. Not at 25%.

[Ron Earp]

Yup. Not at 25%.

So I don't have to look it up, classed too heavy?

[Greg Amy]

So I don't have to look it up, classed too heavy?

One can easily assume. I mean, other thank Kirk, is anyone going to request a reclassification because they're too light...?

[Andy Bettencourt]

One can easily assume. I mean, other thank Kirk, is anyone going to request a reclassification because they're too light...?

Me! ITAC didn't like my 50lbs adder for DW rear.

Yes, too heavy on the 240SX.

[Greg Amy]

Me! ITAC didn't like my 50lbs adder for DW rear.

That's 'cause it was only 50 pounds. You were supposed to make it 100...

[Ron Earp]

One can easily assume. I mean, other thank Kirk, is anyone going to request a reclassification because they're too light...?

Well, your competitor could be asking to have your car reclassified because s/he feels it is too light. You don't have to own a car to request it reclassified.

[GTIspirit]

We had a bit of a philosophical debate on the El Mullet. Some where in favor, some not. The 'no manual' gave us an easy out.

Andy, a recommendation was made on the C4 Vette. We are still doing research on the ITS 240sx.

I've wondered about this no automatic transmission rule, why is it there? Are automatic transmissions really faster and a performance advantage? Less and less cars are being sold with manual transmissions and sometime in the future they might not be available at all as everyone trends towards DSG type transmissions. So is a VW DSG, Porsche PDK, Ford Powershift, e.g. considered manual or automatic?

[CRallo]

automatic=slushbox

[Andy Bettencourt]

I've wondered about this no automatic transmission rule, why is it there? Are automatic transmissions really faster and a performance advantage? Less and less cars are being sold with manual transmissions and sometime in the future they might not be available at all as everyone trends towards DSG type transmissions. So is a VW DSG, Porsche PDK, Ford Powershift, e.g. considered manual or automatic?

I think the issue WAS that autos weren't up to the rigors of road-racing. Too much heat, too much wear to survive without extra allowances to beef them up.

[Ron Earp]

I think the issue WAS that autos weren't up to the rigors of road-racing. Too much heat, too much wear to survive without extra allowances to beef them up.

I suspect it was more along the lines of "cars that don't have manual transmission options aren't proper sports cars and they don't need to be racing in the SCCA".

I don't like the exclusion of automatics with no provision in the rules to fit a manual transmission. But fitting a manual transmission presents a host of problems starting with what manual transmission can be fitted? Someone might like to race a Buick Reatta but should they be allowed to fit a six speed transmission to it?

I don't see automatics being included into IT anytime soon, with or without manual transmission retrofits.