STL Chassis Builds?

[Andy Bettencourt]

So this brings up a good point. Greg wants only ITS and 'down' chassis in STL but really everything in ITR is eligible (sans S2000 and Hype R) with the proper motor. Think of all the cars you could 'dumb down'.

325
328
330
E30 M3
Z3's
Z4's
E36 M3
Preludes
Is300
SC300
300ZX with SR20!!!!!!!!!!!
New 911 GT3 with old 2Litre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMFAO, this is fun!!!!!!!!!!! KEEP THE EXCLUSIONS COMING!!!!!!

Seriously guys, make the cc/weight class a cc/weight class.

[lateapex911]

So this brings up a good point. Greg wants only ITS and 'down' chassis in STL but really everything in ITR is eligible (sans S2000 and Hype R) with the proper motor. Think of all the cars you could 'dumb down'.


New 911 GT3 with old 2Litre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMFAO, this is fun!!!!!!!!!!! KEEP THE EXCLUSIONS COMING!!!!!!

Seriously guys, make the cc/weight class a cc/weight class.

Haha...imagine how dumb that would look on rims half as wide as stock, LOL. Like it's on space savers!!!

[JS154]

So this brings up a good point. Greg wants only ITS and 'down' chassis in STL but really everything in ITR is eligible (sans S2000 and Hype R) with the proper motor. Think of all the cars you could 'dumb down'.

325
328
330
E30 M3
Z3's
Z4's
E36 M3
Preludes
Is300
SC300
300ZX with SR20!!!!!!!!!!!
New 911 GT3 with old 2Litre!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LMFAO, this is fun!!!!!!!!!!! KEEP THE EXCLUSIONS COMING!!!!!!

Seriously guys, make the cc/weight class a cc/weight class.

and every single one of those chassis' with an allowable STL engine will be a heavy slow slug - before the RWD penalty is applied.

That's a whole host of perectly good "touring car" chassis that have no reason or business being built for STL.

[lateapex911]

Yea, I think the point is, to my way of thinking, that you can't just say. "This chassis is Ok, and this one isn't".
You can't say, "Nothing from ITS or ITR"...
That's ignoring that IT is a HP based classing system. The same chassis COULD run in ITR, ITS, ITA and ITB. Think of a Miata with a 2.5L motor making 245hp, the current ITS version, the current ITA version, and a older 1.3 motor, making 110, for ITB.

[Rabbit07]

[Greg Amy]

'Zactly. I've never seen a class "jump the shark" within the SCCA membership as quickly as Super Touring Light. Even Chump Cars and LeMons lasted longer than this one...

Time for another beer.

[Z3_GoCar]

The four cylinder Z3's kosher because it's an ITA car and less than 2.0 liters (if only it'd even make power, I think Kesler has already shown it won't), but the same chassis with a wider rear subframe won't because it's an ITR car??? While the 318 was the exact same motor in the same chassis as the 325/328, only these have multi-link.

[Andy Bettencourt]

and every single one of those chassis' with an allowable STL engine will be a heavy slow slug - before the RWD penalty is applied.

IF they couldn't get down to weight. If they could, then they would be fine - except we don't want those chassis, because they are in ITR!!!! Ugh.

Like Jake said, if we are afraid of Miata's, then just outlaw RWD with DW's at all 4 corners instead of a dynamic exclusion list for cars that can actually compete. If you want this to be a FWD under-2L tuner class, MAKE IT ONE! Stop jerking us all around and sink or swim on your original concept instead of trying to fill fields with half-baked classifications (12A/13.

Not all classes will have a spot for cars I like. No problem at all with that, but just be what you are and stand tall with it.

Phew. Time for a Yuengling or 4.

[Rabbit07]

Phew. Time for a Yuengling or 4.

I love that stuff

[Rabbit07]

FYI a miata is on the pole for the national tomorrow at Sebring.

[bamfp]

And he is over a second slower then the pole in SM. So I am guessing that it is not a fully built STL car.

[Andy Bettencourt]

FYI a miata is on the pole for the national tomorrow at Sebring.

So why is that even a data point when the car is obviously multiple seconds off the pace? Really.

[Greg Amy]

So why is that even a data point when the car is obviously multiple seconds off the pace? Really.

Meh, no surprise. There's probably a negative number of "built" STL cars entered and, as we've all tangentially agreed, the Miata out-of-the-box is probably the best chassis out there.

I know Keane's Integra is still in near-SSC trim, as he was asking me just last week about things like springs, shocks, and swaybars. I'm guessing all he did was take out any extra ballast and easily-accessible interior parts and slapped some STL stickers on the thing.

I am surprised, however, that there isn't a larger number of Spec Miatas doing double duty, especially given the new Ho-Hos they're running (which can explain a lot about comparison lap times this weekend...is SM faster this year than last?)

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