Butch, did you bribe someone to create this thread? lol
For the most part, I think there are specific races in regions which are highlights. I personally am not a follower of the NARRC championships (other than the NARRC Runoffs event itself). Generally speaking, it seems more of an attendence game.
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Dave - I agree. Moving away from a registration competition is one of the benefits of the new idea. In our neck of the woods we have small fields in IT. Now sometimes they are high quality, with a few front running ARRC contenders in the mix, and other years if you show up to everything you might win. If this works as intended we could develop a premiere divisional IT event that brings out the best competition all at once consistently, while making a trip to the Fest and ARRC appealing to more people.
I am really looking forward to this thing.
Last edited by shwah; 10-13-2011 at 12:41 PM.
yes, this threads timing is VERY interesting!
Stay tuned indeed!
(Stephen, good luck on getting 30 car fields. And even tho the NARRCoffs has a strong 20+ car field, lets face it, most aren't ARRC quality. (The front IS strong, but, ever been to a MARRS race in ITB? I can think of 3 down there that will shake you up. Then there's Albin, etc etc etc....
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Hopefully one of those goals will be to get an invite to the "National Improved Touring Road Racing Championship"!!!
You guys have my full attention.
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I wish we could have 30+ car fields. I think it would be extremely hard to get that many cars in a class at anypoint anymore. But I WISH it could happen.
MARRS races in "B" are awesome! I bet the summit race is the BEST race in the country for "B" and I have always wanted to go. On my list the ARRC would come in third to the MARRS Summit race and the NARRC runoffs. Sadly both Summit and RA are so far and costly to travel that I just haven't been able to do it.
On Edit! I am at the edge of my seat waiting to hear this new news!!!!!! I don't visit the sandbox often but are they talking about it on that site? Should I go visit it and search through all the clutter?
Stephen
Last edited by StephenB; 10-14-2011 at 11:06 AM.
The best B race I ever saw was ITFest 2008. 22 cars very few 'slow' ones and some very fast ones. Not likely that I will get a chance to sample a MARRS event, so I can't compare.
Just curious on the other IT classes what are the biggest events for those that are racing throughout the country.
Stephen
I hate to be evasive on this, but we've been asked to wait until next Wednesday to make the "official" announcement about this. What I can tell you right now is this program (which WILL happen in 2012) developed out of the following thread over on RRAX.com:
http://roadraceautox.com/showthread.php?t=35806
Butch Kummer
Former SCCA Director of Club Racing (July 2012 - Sept 2014)
2006, 2007, 2010 SARRC GTA Champion
I just ran the SARRC series for points this year and won. Best six races count PLUS double points for the SIC (equivalent of the NARRC runoffs I think).
We had 100 separate cars run over the course of the year (I believe) with maybe 10 guys running more than 6 races. 3 of us had a shot at the championship.
SARRC is not a show up and win series, although it can be "gamed" in some ways if you are willing to tow long distances. Daytona, Sebring, VIR, Road Atlanta, CMP, Roebling, Charlotte and Barber generally get large ITS fields and you need to have your A game on to win.
That said, if you are willing to tow to Palm Beach, Homestead or Nashville, you can score some easy points.
To me, the SARRC championship is more prestigious (to me) than the ARRC becuase of the year long need for consistency and reliability, the competition, and the fact you have to run and win at very different tracks.
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Not speaking for Jeff, but I'd find something else to do if each year I had to run all 30+/- SARRC races (14-18 weekends) in order to contend for the the series championship. Different parts of the country have different challenges, but in 2011 SEDiv held 32 SARRC races at ten tracks from Homestead (South Florida) to Barber (Birmingham) to Nashville to VIR (Southern Virginia). Requiring folks to compete at all or even most of those races in order to win a championship would have resulted in maybe three people (overall) participating. We constantly debate whether or not counting one's best six is too few, but so far that number seems to be working. It also means you could have 3 or 4 drivers show up at the final race (the SARRC Invitational Challenge) with the same number of points, which makes for some VERY good racing there.
Butch Kummer
Former SCCA Director of Club Racing (July 2012 - Sept 2014)
2006, 2007, 2010 SARRC GTA Champion
So ours is a TON less vigorous, but we all also have multiple series to choose from. Here it was 11 events over 7 weekend, with one must-attend double-points Runoff. 5 different tracks. Then there is the NERSCCA, NYSRRC and Pro It series all at the same time with additional weekends. Most racers here think one more than half the races is a good call to allow for real life.
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