MARRS I - April 16-17

[Ron Earp]

We (NCR/CCR) always run ITR with ITS and I've only seen it be an issue one time, at Roebling Road May 2010. ITR BMW driver held up four ITS cars that couldn't pass and make it stick in a straight line but could pass (dangerously I might add) in T3, T4, T5. The driver of the ITR car should have let the ITS boys through because he was so far back in the ITR race it didn't matter.

All the other ITR/ITS mixings in the past couple of years have been fine.

[dj10]

Ron, I hope you had a good talk with that ITR driver afterwards. I have the same problems with AS & some other fast cars in big bore they have caused me thousands of dollars of damage.

[benspeed]

Thanks Dave

This is what I remember about Summit - super helpful and welcoming group who run some great races!

Anybody who hasn't been to this track is missing the real deal both on and off the track :-)

[JamesB]

Thanks Parker for giving the Rt 7 details. I don't take that route often enough to know the light count. Either way, its one of the better routes for you and that rig. I think if you can, over behind the B corral in the woods is not that bad of a place to be....you power does have to run across the road, but the area is fairly level and gravel is everywhere.

But like I said, I perfer back there, quieter and less traffic....that is when I am not down by worker camping.

[Trussell]

Thanks Dave

This is what I remember about Summit - super helpful and welcoming group who run some great races!

Anybody who hasn't been to this track is missing the real deal both on and off the track :-)

And dont forget to check out Summit's new go kart track on Saturday evening
www.summitpointkart.com

[benspeed]

So I received some feedback on the request to move ITR into group 4 with ITS. Both Marshall the ITR driver rep and Pam the Big Bore driver rep gave good reasons why Summit likes to run ITR in Big Bore and they've got my support.

Group 6 and watch the mirrors for the GT1 and SPO cars and give room in the braking zones. The BB guys have also been asked to show courtesy to the cars that make their time in the corners.

Seems like Summit has pretty good communications between the different classes using the driver reps.

Can't wait for the weekend and our first race

[Kai Noeske]

I know it sounds retarded, but... if I suddenly felt I wanted more racing, an SSC car should be legal in STL, right?

[EV]

I know it sounds retarded, but... if I suddenly felt I wanted more racing, an SSC car should be legal in STL, right?

If it's classed somewhere in IT it would. But if it isn't, it would have to have full ST rules (fire system, drain plug safety wire etc).

Strange rules, but they are what they are...

[Kai Noeske]

If it's classed somewhere in IT it would. But if it isn't, it would have to have full ST rules (fire system, drain plug safety wire etc).

Strange rules, but they are what they are...

It is classed ITS, so that would qualify, thanks !

[dj10]

So I received some feedback on the request to move ITR into group 4 with ITS. Both Marshall the ITR driver rep and Pam the Big Bore driver rep gave good reasons why Summit likes to run ITR in Big Bore and they've got my support.

Group 6 and watch the mirrors for the GT1 and SPO cars and give room in the braking zones. The BB guys have also been asked to show courtesy to the cars that make their time in the corners.

Seems like Summit has pretty good communications between the different classes using the driver reps.

Actions speaks louder than words....I guess we'll see.

[EV]

It is classed ITS, so that would qualify, thanks !

9.1.4 B says "GCR listed IT cars, 1985 and newer, under their current IT
specifications shall compete in STU.
Note: While IT cars may not be competitive in the ST category,
their inclusion in the category will allow regional competitors to
participate in national events."

Welcome to STU, maybe even STL, but i'm not sure about STL rules...

[benspeed]

Pretty sure you'll be in STU - ITA cars run STL...

[Kai Noeske]

Pretty sure you'll be in STU - ITA cars run STL...

I thought STL's major eligibility criterium was: engine <= 2.0L, while STU was <= 3.0L capacity...? Have to admit that I have not looked much into the STL rules, though. Will have a look at the GCR.

Edit: Really not clear to me after reading ST regs again - it says that all 85 and newer IT classed cars "shall" run STU.

However, my 1.6L Honda definitely fulfills all STL criteria by a mile - I mean, it is stock. On the other hand, the 2011 GCR does not list *any* STL eligible cars (except Spec Miata per 9.1.4) - does that mean that, in fact, currently *NO* cars are eligible for STL, or *ALL* cars that fit the STL rules??? Or is it that because STL is regional only, the regions have to decide which cars to allow?

GCR is really meagerly worded on that topic.

[Marcus Miller]

Kai,
Any car under 2.0 liters that fits the STL ruleset runs STL.
Any car under 3.0 liters that fits the STU ruleset runs STU.

Any IT ruleset cars (specifically, those that are running IT rules, *not* ST rules) newer than 1985 run STU

You can't mix and match the rules, and say that my IT prepped car is less than 2.0 liters therefore runs STL instead of STU.

I think that is right, and should make sense when read that way.
(If not, I'm sure one of the ST guru's (tGA, Childs, etc) will correct me.


edit: So... for you, doesthe SSC Civic fit in the ST rules, as you are racing it? If not, you have to run in STU, claiming the IT ruleset. If you aren't IT legal, and plan to run to the ST rules, you must be legal for the ST class you re running.

Marcus

[Kai Noeske]

Thanks Bill, Ben, Marcus!

The car being SSC, it *seems* to be a special case allowed to double-dip in both ITS and STL.

The one thing that may prevent STL is the B16A2's valve lift - will ask tGA about this.

Thanks for your help!

Kai

[Kai Noeske]

Ugh...!!! Registered for my 2nd class (STL) and got slapped with $50 late reg. fee... FALE on entrant's behalf to read supps carefully ... !!!

[erlrich]

Ugh...!!! Registered for my 2nd class (STL) and got slapped with $50 late reg. fee... FALE on entrant's behalf to read supps carefully ... !!!

I think you'll probably be ok - per the supps "At-Track subsequent entries for a second class will be eligible for a rebate (see “Multi-Entry Rebate” below) and will have the $50 late registration fee refunded." I can't imagine they won't also waive the late fee if you registered online...but then, this is the DC Region...

[dave parker]

Kai
When you go to registration on Friday night try to get this resolved. If you can not get a resolution ask to speak with Beth Mills (chief registrar). If it is still not resolved with Beth come and find me on Saturday morning. I will be in the King Rat paddock directly across from the gas pumps.

Please be polite and non-confrontational (i know that you will but I have to say it anyway).

cheers
dave parker

[Kai Noeske]

Kai
When you go to registration on Friday night try to get this resolved. If you can not get a resolution ask to speak with Beth Mills (chief registrar). If it is still not resolved with Beth come and find me on Saturday morning. I will be in the King Rat paddock directly across from the gas pumps.

Please be polite and non-confrontational (i know that you will but I have to say it anyway).

cheers
dave parker

Thanks a lot Dave. Will do. I actually feel a bit bad about causing the registrar or her helpers extra trouble - I mean, it's a ton of work to process 200+ drivers + 130+ workers as it is...

[benspeed]

Actions speaks louder than words....I guess we'll see.

C'mon Dan - you gotta show up! Sounds like your going to skip!