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    Default THE BACK ROOM or ....

    the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    Presented with no prejudice, here is just one of the cobblestones:
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    How did you find this?

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    Might be best to Save As if you want a copy.
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    What is it?

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    We should all be THRILLED with this. I'd suggest that having this in writing will do the category nothing but good. Big round of applause for the ITAC!

    K

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    Good to see that is in existence. Not sure it was intended for public consumption, however.

    It is, by and large, a very close representation of the SOP when Andy, Kirk and I were on board last.
    There are some interesting differences.
    One, (Andy, correct me if i'm wrong) adders:
    ITS strut cars got -50, right?(wasn't a 'sophisticated suspension' considered 'the norm" for ITS?)*
    Live axle ITR cars getting 50 is new. I think that means all the pony car weights will need to be adjusted.
    *I'd need to check my notes which I don't have handy.

    An interesting aspect is the ITB and now ITC multivalve engines using a standard of 30%. While this was discussed previously, it was based on 'a deal'...and I think ITB was the only class involved. By multivalve, is that 3 and 4? or just 4? Personally, I'd like to see the actual math that leads to the conclusion that all engines with multivalves make 30%. yet those in other classes do not. I assume it is a result of SOME classifications where that is used, and now ALL must match. I see this as an error repeating itself. I also remember certain ITB cars (multivalve?) being classed on 'what we knew", so again, I find those cars are an exception and should not fall under the 30% guideline..

    The item on the known horsepower is interesting as well. In general it reflects what was SOP when I was on board, but a recent classification change to the MR2 shows that indeed an incredible amount of data is needed to budge the ITAC from the assumed gains of 30%. All the dyno sheets for IT builds on MR2 motors have indicated that 10-15% max were the actual real world gains. Yet those sheets were evidently not impressive because the car got weighted using 25% factoring.

    Good to see the level of detail that has been put into this, and I'm glad that it is reflective, essentially (with caveats over adders) of the Process V2. I would LOVE to have seen this from the actual source, though, not leaked as it appears to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon T. View Post
    What is it?
    The Holy Grail to some!

    Basically the guidelines to how cars are assigned a weight going forward in improved touring.

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    Might be best to Save As if you want a copy.
    LOL!!! That's what I did as soon as I saw what it was.
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