April 2012 Fastrack

[Greg Amy]

Man, we're slipping around here...

April Fastrack
Preliminary Minutes/Tech Bulletin
3/9/12- Preliminary Minutes
3/9/12- Preliminary Tech Bulletin

[CRallo]

yourself included... Wait, you were probably "testing us" weren't you?!

[Andy Bettencourt]

Ya!!!! Clarified right out of double dipping. No ITR 2L and under cars. Ugh.

Is there any way someone from the ITAC can find out where the Vette classification is? Right now we aren't even going to be in the ITCS for the first points race on a request sent in November.

[Greg Amy]

Ya!!!! Clarified right out of double dipping. No ITR 2L and under cars. Ugh.

Yeah, sorry about that. We're still trying to get buy-in on allowing the S2000 chassis into STL, but that won't help you with the F20 engine, which will likely stay bannificated...maybe if/when we get buy-in on increasing the RWD we can re-think that ITR exclusion. - GA

[Andy Bettencourt]

Yeah, sorry about that. We're still trying to get buy-in on allowing the S2000 chassis into STL, but that won't help you with the F20 engine, which will likely stay bannificated...maybe if/when we get buy-in on increasing the RWD we can re-think that ITR exclusion. - GA

So out of curiosity, why would that matter? At 3005lbs, the ITR version would still be 170lbs heavier than a 2.0L STL car at a 5% RWD adder...which is 238lbs heavier than it's current config.

Is it debatable that any 2.L or under ITR car exceeds the expected performance envelope of STL? The P/W's don't show it.

[Dano77]

Hey Wait a minute, The 12a has to stay at a stock motor with stock outputs in STL. Thereby remaining a totally un-competitive car/chassis for that class.

Yet the STO first gen car can run a GT2 motor????????

Still not getting the rational that a 25 year old car is scaring the Honda guys.

[23racer]

Decent decision on my car. I only have to add 250 lbs to it to run with you guys. That is doable and won't totally emasculate the car. I think that I will have to check the SCCA schedules to see what events I can go to. Pretty decent, Solomon like, decision.

Thanks again to everyone involved. I guess that you could put me down as the rare satisfied customer.

Eric

[Andy Bettencourt]

I guess that you could put me down as the rare satisfied customer.

Eric

Oh, there are plenty of good decisions that happen every day. Just like in the real world, they get no press and we bitch about the stupid stuff.

[CRallo]

pretty boring read for us IT guys... :/

[Andy Bettencourt]

pretty boring read for us IT guys... :/

Must not have been any letters to go over....

[CRallo]

Must not have been any letters to go over....

Maybe I'll write a couple then. Aftermarket engine mounted accessory brackets anyone? ohhhhhhhhh! I DO need to write a letter!! GM V8 Pony cars are heavy... (Wrong stock hp was used) and of course all my links to support that were on my old computer which just died... Don't think I had EI favs backed up :/

[CRallo]

and is no ITR in STL REALLY an issue? Go play with your ITR buddies that are DD'ing in STU! You'll still trounce plenty of other DD'rs from S, A and B...

[CRallo]

Must not have been any letters to go over....

reprocess the ITA 240sx at %25?


speaking of which, wasn't something happening with the 'S car?

[JeffYoung]

We debated the ITA 240sx at length. It stays at its current weight. We had two dyno data points for the ITS motor, and it loses 50 lbs.

We recommended the C4 with the torque adder and the DW adder. This was done two months ago, not sure what the hold up is.

We made numerous other recommendations to the CRB over the last few months so not sure what the hold up is or what's going on. Chip and/or myself will check.

[Knestis]

>> This was done two months ago, not sure what the hold up is.

I won't name any names but their initials are C, R, B.

My SINGLE biggest issue while on the ITAC was the CRB filibuster. There's a cultural inclination there to ignore things they don't want to do and hope that they die on the vine. Timely up-or-down decisions should be SOP.

K

[JS154]

Decent decision on my car. I only have to add 250 lbs to it to run with you guys. That is doable and won't totally emasculate the car. I think that I will have to check the SCCA schedules to see what events I can go to. Pretty decent, Solomon like, decision.

Thanks again to everyone involved. I guess that you could put me down as the rare satisfied customer.

Eric

Here are some National events to consider : NHMS Rational April 21, Nelson Ledges Double May 26-27, Mid-Ohio Double June 1-3, Lime Rock June 23, Watkins Glen July 7-8.

[Greg Amy]

Full April 2012 Fastrack

http://www.scca.com/assets/12-fastrack-april.pdf

Ok, this one caught me off guard:

2. #7615 (Club Racing Board) S2000
In section 9.1.4.3.D.1, remove the Honda S2000 ineligibility as follows: [strike]Honda S2000[/strike]

Looks like effective 3/30 the S2000 chassis is eligible in STL. Unfortunately, the F20 engine is still excluded. K20, anyone?

[coreyehcx]

Wow, the K20 is actually a better platform to work with and is easily mated to the s2000 transmission.

I hope everyone that was crying about this sacks up and builds one now.

[Andy Bettencourt]

Wow, the K20 is actually a better platform to work with and is easily mated to the s2000 transmission.

I hope everyone that was crying about this sacks up and builds one now.

It's not about one single desire for a build, it's about a consitancy in the rules.

What has more potential: An STL, purpose built K20-powered S2000 at 2850-ish lbs or a full IT-spec F20 S2000 at 3005lbs?

To me, the answer is clear. Yet for some reason, the STAC just revoked 2.0L ITR cars eligibility under the IT clause.

[Greg Amy]

What has more potential: An STL, purpose built K20-powered S2000 at 2850-ish lbs or a full IT-spec F20 S2000 at 3005lbs? To me, the answer is clear.

Me too: the F20.

The 200hp-stock K20 from the RSX-S is already at max-allowed compression ratio for STL and will have to de-cam to be compliant to the STL regs. The 240hp-stock F20 from the S2000 can increase compression another 1/2 point per the ITR regs (to over a point more than STL regs currently allow) and can run stock cams that are already oversize per STL regs.

But you already knew that...

GA