STx Notes, February Fastrack

[Greg Amy]

http://cms.scca.com/documents/Fastra...strack-feb.pdf

- "Disallow seam welding in STL" rejected. Class philosophy includes things like seam welding, more-than-8-points for cages, Lexan, and plastic hood/trunk.

- "Hinges" added to remove/replace of hood/trunk latches.

- Rewording of metering rule for intake, to "throttling". AFM/MAF can clearly be removed.

- World Challenge cars on VTS allowed, with 5% weight penalty.

- Some rules clean ups.

[Matt93SE]

How about a class philosophy?

[Chip42]

hmm..

on the turbo allowance for the A4. I'm not really up on this, and I know Rob May and he's strait up. so I suspect there's a back story here. but it looks to the outsider as even more specific performance adjustments to a class with no established envelope, and that's "danger will robinson" territory. I think publishing a short explanation would go a ways toward removing the smoke and mirrors impression this might give.

VTS cars at the heavier of VTS+5% OR STU chart + 5% seems fair, I'd like to know what weight this translates into for say, an Ex-realtime TSX (2009) vs an STU-spec K24 honda (2640# by chart, so 2772# or more). I was advocating ~150#, so I'm reasonably satisfied with this.

not a whole lot else - weren't we expecting to see STL brake allowances and stuff? and where IS that class philosophy????

[lateapex911]

Category philosophy, and the actual writing it in words, is next to impossible.
Add to that that this category is really more like TWO categories. (STO/STU, and STL).

Just getting a group to agree, in even vague terms, to a philosophy statement for EITHER of those groups will be very difficult and time consuming. If you can even GET the group to agree....
And getting it down on paper?...for publishing??
That's a tall order, ESPECIALLY for such a new Ad Hoc.
The fact that they are actually discussing it and are aware that it needs to be done is a great step in my book.
I'd suggest that they don't chain themselves to ONE statement though. I really think that STL is unique and different enough that it should be handled differently and that includes some cornerstone and first principal statements.

[Greg Amy]

on the turbo allowance for the A4.

IIRC, this was because that turbo was allowed on the car for WC, and required an alternate downpipe to make it work. Existing cars could not easily swap the stock turbo back in.

VTS cars at the heavier of VTS+5% OR STU chart + 5% seems fair...I was advocating ~150#, so I'm reasonably satisfied with this.

Comes out about there, slightly less. We had already talked about this prior to your post, and I used your opinion as a "gut check" to make sure we weren't on alternate realities. Fortunately, we weren't too far apart...

...weren't we expecting to see STL brake allowances and stuff?

My request to allow alternate brakes in STL is still pending and under discussion. We should have an up/down answer next Fastrack.

GA

[Matt93SE]

next jab.. how about the request for SR20DET that I sent in August and was said would be posted in the december fastrack.. the response in Fastrack was "we're still discussing it, hang on."

Sooo.. any updates?

[Greg Amy]

Sooo.. any updates?

I am unaware of any pending discussion regarding the SR20DET. Note that at this point in time, while it's under discussion as part of the overall general philosophy, there's no allowance for other-than-USDM engines...

Send me your letter number and I'll investigate.

GA

[dickita15]

How about a class philosophy?

We are not there yet but I assure you this is being discussed at every level and I believe everyone knows this is of the highest priority.

[Greg Amy]

We are not there yet but I assure you this is being discussed at every level and I believe everyone knows this is of the highest priority.

Quoted for truthiness.

You'll see it developing inferentially with rules changes/updates, and we're looking into actually publishing it as part of the rules in 2012. But for now, rest assured all activity and discussion is with this as an underlying factor, the big "elephant in the room".

GA