Removal of factory Seat Mount Humps?

[Greg Amy]

I've removed them for each of the IT builds I've done if they get in the way of the seat mounting.

And, unrelated, to the idea that only brackets that are bolted in can be removed (versus brackets that are welded in): find that in the rules for me. It simply states something to the effect of 'brackets can be removed' and in no way specifies that that is limited to those bolted on. One can get into debates about the definition of "bracket", but not really on the method of attachment.

Thus yes, Kirk, you can remove all those welded-in rear seat brackets. I do.

GA

[ITACivic]

I've removed them for each of the IT builds I've done if they get in the way of the seat mounting.

What is the rule that allows the removal of it though?

[Greg Amy]

9.1.3.D.9.e, "Front passenger seat, rear seat back, rear seat bottom cushion(s), sun visors, seat belts and their attaching hardware and bracketry may be removed."

No specifications that it's limited to only bolted-in parts.

"If it says you can, then you bloody well can!" - George Roffe, "The Roffe Corollary"

GA

[ITACivic]

9.1.3.D.9.e, "Front passenger seat, rear seat back, rear seat bottom cushion(s), sun visors, seat belts and their attaching hardware and bracketry may be removed."

No specifications that it's limited to only bolted-in parts.

"If it says you can, then you bloody well can!" - George Roffe, "The Roffe Corollary"

GA

That rul specifies which seats brackets you can remove and it doesn't say anything about the drivers seat.

[Greg Amy]

That rul specifies which seats brackets you can remove and it doesn't say anything about the drivers seat.

Ok, then find the rule that allows removal of the driver's seat and you probably have it.

Or run the humps if it bothers you. I don't.

GA

[Greg Amy]

Here ya go:

9.1.3.D.9.e, "The driver’s seat (only) shall be replaced with a one-piece bucket-type race seat. Factory seat tracks/brackets may be modified, reinforced, and/or removed to facilitate replacement mountings provided they perform no other function. All other seats may be removed."

My emphasis.

I expect entertaining arguments that these items in question aren't "brackets"; well, they are. Anything used to attach and/or support the seat to the car is a "seat bracket"; those sheet metal humps on the floor serve no purpose other than to support/mount the seat. Thus, they are brackets and are legal to remove.

GA

[tom91ita]

.... I expect entertaining arguments that these items in question aren't "brackets"; well, they are. ....

brackets, in terms of racing, are better to be considered as an allowance or a handicap between predicted elapsed time between two cars over a 1/4 mile.

if you remove those brackets, you then have just good old head to head racing.

cut them, beat them down or dril out the spot welds and save them for when someone tells you that you have to have them. just don't expect a protest from me if you don't have them.

as Greg noted, some rules really do say that you can do something...

[ITACivic]

Ok, then find the rule that allows removal of the driver's seat and you probably have it.

Or run the humps if it bothers you. I don't.

GA

That is why I am asking for a rule for it. I would like to remove it because it would make mounting the seat a lot easier and I have seen some on here say that you can do it. I just don't see a rule where it allows you to and if people are doing it then there must be a rule that some are reading that allows it. I am just not seeing that rule and would like some guidance on which rule it is that people are reading that allows it.

[joeg]

no problem...rip them out. Read 9 a for driver; 9 e for pass.

[Greg Amy]

That is why I am asking for a rule for it. I would like to remove it because it would make mounting the seat a lot easier and I have seen some on here say that you can do it. I just don't see a rule where it allows you to and if people are doing it then there must be a rule that some are reading that allows it. I am just not seeing that rule and would like some guidance on which rule it is that people are reading that allows it.

Read up one message.

If you're concerned about that then sit tight: I expect dissenting arguments shortly (it's a holiday, traffic here is low today...)

GA